[Cornea]

Just read this. There aren't a lot of C40 out for sale anymore. Due to parts shortage Volvo actually told some customers that they will not be getting the C40 they ordered. There are however a lot of XC60 Recharge Extended Range (PHEV) at the dealers. You may want to check that out. The EV range is around 40 miles. The same goes with XC40 Recharge Twin, not a lot out there just like the C40.

Also they stop taking pre-order of Polestar 2s. You can only get what is pre-configured for delivery. Parts shortage is really doing a number on manufacturing. I was lucky the dealer close to me had a C40 in the color combination I want that another customer gave up on (got an XC90 PHEV instead). I am leasing the C40.

Oh, don't even bother with the Kia EV 6 and Hyundai IONIQ 5. I hear dealer markup is $10K.

Good luck and happy hunting.
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Nice lighting! How does the car ride?

I am certainly not going to pay >$60,000 for a new Hyundai or Kia. Don’t want to sound like a snob, but that’s a lot of money for a lot of plastic irrespective of the positive reviews online.

My wife is starting to like our Kia E-Niro loaner. It drives terrible, but it gets the job done. Hasn’t died on us or throw a code fit. The current lease offer is cheap and very attractive. The other option is is to try and find and lease an ID.4. It has complimentary 30min fast charging at EA for 3years. We live <5 min from EA, so it it may be “free“ to operate with occasional topping off using my garage L2 charger.

 

[bruintoo]

Nice lighting! How does the car ride?

I am certainly not going to pay >$60,000 for a new Hyundai or Kia. Don’t want to sound like a snob, but that’s a lot of money for a lot of plastic irrespective of the positive reviews online.

My wife is starting to like our Kia E-Niro loaner. It drives terrible, but it gets the job done. Hasn’t died on us or throw a code fit. The current lease offer is cheap and very attractive. The other option is is to try and find and lease an ID.4. It has complimentary 30min fast charging at EA for 3years. We live <5 min from EA, so it it may be “free“ to operate with occasional topping off using my garage L2 charger.

Not as luxe in the interior as the I-PACE, but the infotainment system is MUCH quicker and better with Android (even better than Pivi Pro with Alexa). It’s as fast the I-PACE, but the driving dynamics is inferior to the Jag. It’s hard to beat I-PACE handling dynamics (which I think is second only to Taycan). We shall see how much reliable Volvo is compared to Jags. One upside, cheaper to insure! Same coverage is $200 less for 6 months.

Alex on Autos compared the C40 ride to I-PACE start at 19:57 mark:

 

[jsimon7777]

Wait. UCLA and not Cal? Terrible photos! Which camera? iPhone? Seems all the rage.

 

[sciencegeek]

Very sharp!!

 

[Cornea]

It appears we have a few Pac12 alums here: UCLA, Cal, and USC.

 

[Slam08]

It’s the ride that sold me on the I pace, and that’s not something seen in numbers.

Even my brother who has a model Y sat it in and thought, nice. Looks like a traditional car but is an EV. He started it up, I showed him some camera features, and then he backed it out of his driveway. As soon he started driving down his street he said “wow! This is much better.”

He still loves his Tesla of course. It’s a religion to some. And he loves his full self driving. Jaguar can’t compete there.

 

[Proxy]

It appears we have a few Pac12 alums here: UCLA, Cal, USC and UofA.

 

[rcomeau]

I am on a road trip from Montreal-Boston-Philly-NY and got a :High Voltage Fault Detected, ok to drive with Caution" message after charging at an EA charger. I shut down and restarted a couple of times, but did not immediately clear. I drove around the parking lot for a minute and the fault cleared and has been ok since (drove ~150 highway miles). Charged ok overnight on a L2 charger at the hotel.

Any chance this was a funny one-off at the charger or am I headed for more pain again? I just checked the 12V battery voltage using the ippace.herohuapp web site (thanks for that!) and the 12V battery is sitting at 13.1V. The battery and much of the electronics managing not were replaced earlier this year.

Hoping to finish this trip and getting home on it's wheels and not on a flatbed...

 

[Slam08]

Hope you make it home!

 

[Docrwm]

I am on a road trip from Montreal-Boston-Philly-NY and got a :High Voltage Fault Detected, ok to drive with Caution" message after charging at an EA charger. I shut down and restarted a couple of times, but did not immediately clear. I drove around the parking lot for a minute and the fault cleared and has been ok since (drove ~150 highway miles). Charged ok overnight on a L2 charger at the hotel.

Any chance this was a funny one-off at the charger or am I headed for more pain again? I just checked the 12V battery voltage using the ippace.herohuapp web site (thanks for that!) and the 12V battery is sitting at 13.1V. The battery and much of the electronics managing not were replaced earlier this year.

Hoping to finish this trip and getting home on it's wheels and not on a flatbed...

Good luck, hope you make it home on you wheels.

 

[Cornea]

I am on a road trip from Montreal-Boston-Philly-NY and got a :High Voltage Fault Detected, ok to drive with Caution" message after charging at an EA charger. I shut down and restarted a couple of times, but did not immediately clear. I drove around the parking lot for a minute and the fault cleared and has been ok since (drove ~150 highway miles). Charged ok overnight on a L2 charger at the hotel.

Any chance this was a funny one-off at the charger or am I headed for more pain again? I just checked the 12V battery voltage using the ippace.herohuapp web site (thanks for that!) and the 12V battery is sitting at 13.1V. The battery and much of the electronics managing not were replaced earlier this year.

Hoping to finish this trip and getting home on it's wheels and not on a flatbed...

I've been meaning give you all an update on my 2022 I-Pace. Hopefully, the information herein can better inform members on what this error message, "High Voltage Faulted Detected, ok to drive with caution" means and how to best proceed. It took nearly 4-5 months for my dealership in collaboration with JLR North America to diagnose and fix the car. Now it's in working order. My wife is also happier, which is the most important thing.

In my case, the error message corresponds to a P0AA6 fault code -- which indicates a high voltage isolation fault between the HV Traction Battery and the low voltage (12V) system. Causes include: #1 BECM/BEM, #2 AC Compressor, #3 chafed wire/harness, or #4 leaking electrolyte from the HV Traction Battery. In my case, it was a bad battery cell in the HV Traction Battery. After replacement, the car can now charge to 100% (previously, it would stop at 92-94%, regardless of L1, L2, or L3 charging and the error would appear with regenerative breaking when SOC 92-94%). I think nearly every module that could be replaced was replaced on my car before the HV Traction Battery was seriously investigated. I am not sure why my regional traveling "EV expert" was so against looking into the battery and was insistent that it was a "software" problem instead? I was not impressed. This folly, unfortunately, made for a not so fun and unnecessary protracted service experience. However, to the credit of JLR North America, Mr. Beatti (VP Customer Service) and his executive staff in particular really stepped it up and delivered on their promise when my case was escalated.

I hope this helps! My wife and I are really enjoying our I-Pace now. If you're in Southern California, JLR Thousand Oaks is excellent! My service director was attentive and hypothesized that it was the battery from the start, but of course he had to follow the chain of command from the EV expert/engineer.

We're looking to add a second EV to the household in 1-2 years...

 

[sciencegeek]

Thanks for the update! So they did not buy it back, they fixed it for you?

 

[Cornea]

Thanks for the update! So they did not buy it back, they fixed it for you?

They offered to buy it back, but there was really nothing else on the market that I wanted. Secondly, the market was getting crazier and last year's money could not buy the same car or suitable replacement that I would be happy with. Stubborn you would say.

 

[gtquan]

Thanks for the update. How hard would it have been to diagnose a bad battery cell? You'd think that would be easier than replacing all those modules.

 

[kkemp]

From what I remember reading about working on the traction battery it's a major undertaking that involves clearing a large space in the service bay then having at least two people involved, with one holding a long insulated rod and hook to pull the tech working on the battery away in case he or she touches something electrified. If that is indeed the process it would explain the willingness to replace just about everything before touching the HV battery.

 

[Docrwm]

From what I remember reading about working on the traction battery it's a major undertaking that involves clearing a large space in the service bay then having at least two people involved, with one holding a long insulated rod and hook to pull the tech working on the battery away in case he or she touches something electrified. If that is indeed the process it would explain the willingness to replace just about everything before touching the HV battery.

Funny you should mention that aspect of the process. My service rep said he had never seen that process prior to my fault about 6-8 weeks ago and that he and others went to the bay to watch and were fascinated with how different the EV repair process was over the ICE process. He likened it to something out of Star Trek.

 

[Cornea]

From my recollection, there was a lot of inertia needed to get the HV Traction Battery investigated. You need to cordon off the area, a mobile tray to rest the battery on, and a special tool to discharge the battery. Once the battery is down, it was a straight forward process. Engineer would check each battery cell and replace the one that's faulty. I think in my case the whole job took about 1-2 weeks. Maybe before JLR would replace the entire HV Traction Battery?

It's scary to have an EV outside of warranty...unless independent repair shops are willing to invest and train their technicians for the future.

 

[Photon2.0eV]

Hoping to finish this trip and getting home on it's wheels and not on a flatbed...

Are you still driving or flatbed riding??

 

[rcomeau]

Are you still driving or flatbed riding??

Thankfully, that seemed to be a one-off. I drove from Philly to Boston, then to NY, then back to Boston and back to Montreal yesterday and not a hiccup. Only needed a few DC charges as I picked my hotels reasonably well (except that Hilton Garden Inn whose L2 charger had a 5 hour max, needing me to get up in the middle of the night to unplug/replug as I was the only EV there with 4 chargers).

The drive was great otherwise. Pouring rain from NY to Boston but the car is a star in bad weather. Sunny drive back yesterday through Vermont was beautiful.

 

[suburban_gorilla]

Interesting read.

I had this exact fault occur and about 3-5 days later my heat stopped working. My car is in right now and I'm awaiting the diagnosis / confirmation. This thread was very helpful and I'll ask about what codes it is throwing when they call.


@Cornea thanks for posting the outcome. very helpful.