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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Yes, putting jumper cables on the starter battery is documented in the owners manual. You just have to be able to get the hood/bonnet open first, and have a power source available whether it is another car, a jumper pack, or whatever.
 
Data point for anyone.
Local California dealer had all batteries for the i-PACE in stock, even the smaller one for the 19-20 models. $200-$250 were the price ranges for those not in warranty.
 
Discussion starter · #24 ·
mlperformance.co (a UK company) has the small one for $42 USD + shipping on a Black Friday sale. It is still less than $100 with shipping.
The larger one is a 99R/T4 size that can be found at many auto part stores around $210.
 
Over the 3 1/2 years of my IPace ownership, I have read the accounts of the dreaded 12v failure and have considered myself lucky to have not encountered any significant problems with my 2019 SE. Until...last week. :cry:

I was on my way from the Bay Area to Tahoe for Thanksgiving. I have made the trip many times, so I stopped in the usual EA charging spot in Rocklin. After a 30 minute charge as I was driving off, I got the notice of possible battery fault and potential lack of braking power, etc. Somewhat concerning, but I have had this warning on occasion and it has always just gone away. Not this time. The car just stopped and was dead.

I called Jaguar assistance (helpful, but really had NO idea what to do with an IPace). However, the tow truck guys did know. They were just great. 2 young guys who knew exactly how to access the battery and how to jump start it to get it on the flat bed. By just extraordinary luck, I was only a mile from Jaguar LR Rocklin. Lucky too that they were open and operating the afternoon before Thanksgiving. Even more luck in that they had a loaner Range Rover to set me up with and get me and the dog on my way. It became a bit of a hassle in that they were not able to get it repaired so that I could pick it up on my way back, but they did get it fully serviced, inspected and ready to go by Monday afternoon. I had to drive up and back from the Bay Area in one morning, but that was a very small price to pay considering what a HUGE problem I would have had if I had this happen in the middle of nowhere.

I wanted to post this mainly to give a HUGE, HUGE shoutout to the Rocklin dealership. On every level they were fantastic. My only regret is that they are not my local dealership (which generally sucks). If I one day get another IPace (which I very well may since I truly love the car), I will very much consider dealing with the LR Jaguar dealership in Rocklin just because they were so great. It is inconvenient for me, but I really believe they should be rewarded for being so helpful. Something we SHOULD expect with a $90K car, but I've found is not really so much the case.

So, as a word of caution, if your IPace is approaching the 3 year mark, I would just do a prophylactic battery replacement. Frankly I thought my dealership may have thought to do this when I had one of the routine services done last month, but I fault myself for not asking.
 
Glad the Rocklin dealership helped you out! I’m actually amazed that they fixed it on holiday weekend so quickly!
 
Did we ever decide on the best aftermarket battery?
 
Very informative but after my Aux batt read 6 volts I did connect a charger 4 amp directly onto this 12 v smaller battery to get 13v and have been driving since without any problem. Just one point why are you recommending the negative be connected to the chassis not the battery directly?
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
Electricity will take the shortest path. If the battery is bad, such as having an internal short or just not able to take a charge, the jump will do nothing as it just goes through the bad battery. Connecting to a body ground has a better change of getting the jump power to go through vehicle electrics.

Sample case: The battery on a vehicle I had went bad and totally dead. Connecting a jumper cable from another vehicle directly to the battery posts would not get the car to start. The starter wouldn't turn nor could it be shifted to neutral for pushing. Moving the ground from battery post to engine bracket completely changed that. Starter worked, the vehicle started up and could then move on its own power with the alternator now supplying power.

Similarly for the I-PACE, connecting the ground from the jump source to the body could get the electrics to work sufficiently to start it up and let the DC-DC converter take over from there.

Your battery may be nearing end-of-life and/or your car needs software updates that ensure the proper charging occurs and the car doesn't get stuck "on" thus draining the battery. I suspect you will have another incident in the near future if corrective action isn't taken.
 
Hey! We finally got the reduce brake feel message! Made an appointment with the dealer. 4.2 years after we got the car.
 
So far, complaints for the dealer:
brake pedal feel reduced
issues charging on a public charger
seat not matching when a key is used
trim pieces loose? - rear wheel air deflector We probably already lost them.
still a rattle in the rear right seat. they never found it.
a steering vibration sometimes at highway speeds

Any make-believe things I should say to them to force a software update here or there?
 
Electricity will take the shortest path. If the battery is bad, such as having an internal short or just not able to take a charge, the jump will do nothing as it just goes through the bad battery. Connecting to a body ground has a better change of getting the jump power to go through vehicle electrics.

Sample case: The battery on a vehicle I had went bad and totally dead. Connecting a jumper cable from another vehicle directly to the battery posts would not get the car to start. The starter wouldn't turn nor could it be shifted to neutral for pushing. Moving the ground from battery post to engine bracket completely changed that. Starter worked, the vehicle started up and could then move on its own power with the alternator now supplying power.

Similarly for the I-PACE, connecting the ground from the jump source to the body could get the electrics to work sufficiently to start it up and let the DC-DC converter take over from there.

Your battery may be nearing end-of-life and/or your car needs software updates that ensure the proper charging occurs and the car doesn't get stuck "on" thus draining the battery. I suspect you will have another incident in the near future if corrective action isn't taken.
After 4 times not able to release the brake due to low aux battery voltage but able to start each time by connecting a small AGM 12 volt alarm battery so took to jag and they confirmed faulty battery and replaced it wow cost over AU$800 inc labour.Consider if it happens spend $90 for an identical battery Leoch JB14/4 and do it yourself.
Anyway I asked to keep faulty batt and could only run a led light, anymore dropped voltage to 2 so left a 50w halogen on it and it dropped to millvolts got a great surprise an hour later and it nearly burnt a hole in the bench! and sitting over 12.6v But it’s now working and can be used for other 12v uses.suspect some sort of sulphation that has been broken down any thoughts.
 
Thanks for your detailed information!!! My KitKat left my Hubby and me stranded in a parking lot after midnight last week; thankfully our son was able to jumpstart us. My Hubby thought it might be a fluke, but we bought one of those small jumpstart battery pack things the next day, which turned out to be fortunate as she died again a few days later. Hubby did some testing and realized the 12V battery was done for. So naturally he called Jag to get some assistance (what a joke!!!) I got on here and found your post YEAH!!!! Now we know what to get and how to do it, again Thank you!
 
I want to thank all of the contributors for the information that sent me to the dealer for a persistent BPFD warning message. I was spared a breakdown incident. My Orlando Florida dealer had both batteries in stock, replacing both of mine which tested bad. I was warned before I arrived to expect about a 2 week turnaround but actually got a 4-hour turnaround, same day. All under warranty.

As with previous service, I have found that the general level of knowledge among service writers is not high about the i-Pace, but the information in this and several other forums saved my skin without over-relying on JLR to advise me.

Knowing the link between the BPFD warning and 12V battery health, and also knowing that 3 years was a typical lifespan for these, made me take the warnings seriously and steer the dealer to testing the 12V batteries. (My car is a 2020.)

The Orlando dealer has 3 i-Pace trained technicians, including the foreman.
 
I want to thank all of the contributors for the information that sent me to the dealer for a persistent BPFD warning message. I was spared a breakdown incident. My Orlando Florida dealer had both batteries in stock, replacing both of mine which tested bad. I was warned before I arrived to expect about a 2 week turnaround but actually got a 4-hour turnaround, same day. All under warranty.

As with previous service, I have found that the general level of knowledge among service writers is not high about the i-Pace, but the information in this and several other forums saved my skin without over-relying on JLR to advise me.

Knowing the link between the BPFD warning and 12V battery health, and also knowing that 3 years was a typical lifespan for these, made me take the warnings seriously and steer the dealer to testing the 12V batteries. (My car is a 2020.)

The Orlando dealer has 3 i-Pace trained technicians, including the foreman.
I am so scared. Mine is a 2020 as well.
 
Hello all,
I just wanted to post my most recent experience as a data/reference point. Thank you @Ayepace and everyone else here for their contributions to help all of us tackle our own 12v challenges.

TL;DR
Larger starter 12v (T4K11604) replaced under Warranty. Had warning messages on dash after I recharged 12v myself. (see attachments). See service notes attached as well.

Long version:
  • Year: 2020 SE
  • Build Date from door card: 9/2019
  • Purchased new: 10/2020
  • Last Driven 3/6/2023
  • 12v Starter Battery (T4K11604) Died: 3/17/2023
  • Miles when 12v died: 7,208
Here's what I did.
  • 3/16
    • Opened the back hatch to get something from trunk.
  • 3/17
    • Completely dead. Doors were unlocked.
    • Read this thread...again.
    • Purchased a 12v battery charger/maintainer on Amazon
  • 3/19
    • Read this thread again.
    • Popped hood via manual release in passenger footwell.
    • Plugged in 12v charger and voltage read: 2v
    • Charged 12v; lights came back on during recharging process.
    • Checked the voltage of the small 12v and it was fine.
    • Opened the passenger door and screens came on.
    • Disconnected 12v charger to see how fast it would drain again.
  • 3/20
    • Called 2 local dealers and they have no loaners for 2-3 weeks.
    • With an appointment, it will take 4-5 days sitting on the lot before they can start looking at my car.
    • Asked if they could check to see if batteries were in stock before I let my car just sit on lot.
  • 3/21
    • Closer dealer confirmed that they had the T4K11604 in stock.
    • 4 day wait to get my car looked at with an appointment. (set for 4/6)
    • Asked for them to call me back if I can get in sooner.
  • 3/26
    • Tried turning the car "ON" (Foot on Brake pedal, pressed START button)
    • Battery Warning images on dash (see attached)
  • 3/28
    • Dealer let me know my wait time would now be 1-2 days tops. Bring in at my convenience.
    • 12v was dead again (2.9v)
    • Recharged
  • 3/29
    • Drove around neighborhood to see if I could drive it to the dealer myself.
    • Large middle display screen was blank
    • Small lower screen took a LONG time to boot up.
    • A/C was on MAX until climate controls booted up and I could turn it off.
  • 3/30
    • 10:45 - Called Jaguar assistance for a tow; got disconnected.
      • Called again and went through the process to get a tow.
    • 11:20 - Received text info with Tow info. 60 minutes until arrival
    • 12:40 - Called tow driver and connected after 2 attempts.
      • Waited on hold the second time for about 5 mins.
    • 12:41 - Jag assistance called to check on progress. I let them know I was on hold with Tow Service and to call me back in 10 mins.
    • 12:52 - Tow driver said he would arrive in another 30 mins
    • 1:52 - Tow driver picked up car
    • 2:30 - Car arrived at dealer and got confirmation from my SA.
    • 2:39 - Received message from Jag assistance stating that the (tow) service has been completed.
  • 4/1
    • Larger 12v replaced
    • SA told me that the diagnostic revealed "replace battery." (See attachment)
    • I asked if they tested the smaller one and he said yes.
Does anyone know about "I998" on my invoice? Does that mean they searched for a recall on my VIN?
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Extraordinary info, thank you all very much.

This happened to me today, on a 2020 model. Left it charging overnight and come back to see the "battery fault" message. The main battery charged to 100%, but i believe it didn't do the cell balancing phase.

It eventually died completely, so we needed to manually unlock the doors and the hood (using the guide in this post), connect a jump starter to revive it and load it into the tow truck. It's in the garage right now.

Is this supposed to be a recurrent thing? Should we expect to replace the aux battery every 3 years?
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
Yes the industry is saying that the average lifetime of 12V batteries in cars, regardless of EV or ICE, is now about 3-4 years. All the electronics, and start/stop feature of ICE vehicles, are supposedly shortening the lives.
 
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