Jaguar I-Pace EV400 Forum banner

21 - 40 of 147 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
139 Posts
Keep Keep Keep.

Electric steering wheel is more or less an American thing and not so important elsewhere. But of course I see this being an advantage if people struggle getting in and out of the car. There is some issues with this car yes, but there is some issues with every car and usually always issues with the first series of a new car line coming out, thats just rule of thumb.

However all of this said, I still feel like the European models have less issues (or fixed them better) then the North American models based on what I am reading throughout the world. I have not read any negative review on anything in Norway and there is a fair bit of them on the road now here. Just my kindergarten parking lot with capacity for 20 has 4 identical IPaces (HSE, Corris Grey) lined up every day, mine being one of them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,494 Posts
To each is own for sure, but with all the cars you've owned I find it odd none of them had power adjustable tilt/telescopic wheel and you didn't find it useful. I can't remember the last car I owned (besides my Smart TwoFour) that didn't have it. I guess I haven't looked at every $90k car, but I can't recall any that I have looked at that lack those features...It is even found on the F Pace...

If I was to be contemptible, I could apply the same three comments to the thought of electrically adjustable seats, but I won't.

Suffice to say, with power adjustable steering wheel and seats, most smart manufacturers include a nifty feature that automatically moves the seat back and steering wheel up to improve entry/egress and moves it back to the precise place the detected driver left it. In those cars (including other JLR cars), the little memory button saves the mirror, steering wheel and seat positions. Maybe it is just one of those features, like HUD, that you don't really appreciate until you have it. Then again, maybe some people will never like it.
We have had power steering columns on several of our cars, including our current CT6. I simply don't use it after my initial setup. Even the rearview is automatic (digital).

Try this: Program your fob to ingress. Program Memory 3 to your preferred driving urban setting. Program 2 to your track position or spouse fob whichever is best for you.
So when you unlock, your seat is set for ingress. Then press 3 to configure your cruising position.

Jaguar had to make some engineering decisions:
1) Weight. The car is a porker. Notice it came in at about 700lb under the eTron, 600lb under the MX, roughly the same as the MS (except the MS has lacks some components like HUD, digital dampening system, long travel suspension, real 24 way leather seats).
2) Cost. "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time".

This is why a Tesla has few luxury features. Cost and weight.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
139 Posts
There is a lot to like about the car, but it's not just the infotainment system that falls short of just about any other $90k car:

-manually adjustable steering wheel
-missing auto-adjust for ease of exit/entry
-flimsy hardshell cargo cover
-the flimsy, Geo Metro quality rearseat armrest/little bin
-no pass-thru in the rearseat for carrying long objects in the car
-front arm-rest storage bin is just one giant, cavernous bin. It would be more useful if it was a least a dual compartment like any other car I have owned in the last 20 years.
-cupholders suck...of course cupholders in most European cars suck compared to American/Japanese cars

even after almost 4000 miles, I run across something else that I just shake my head at...
But most of these things you mention are built into the car and you should have realized that when ordering or while inquiring at a dealer about the options. Like the adjustable steering wheel, no where is this an option to order hence not there.

The only thing that is not living up to standards for me is the infotainment system as this is not at the level it needs to be at but is still good enough in the long run, simply not for a 90k car. I still trust an update is coming which will improve things, just like Tesla did with their first ModelS

All of the other stuff I realized were never there and hence no point in mentioning them. But then again I had the luxury of borrowing an IPace for a weekend to play around with before making my decision, im assuming not many had that here.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
424 Posts
I actually did get to borrow one for a weekend - but it was a proto-type car so a lot of things weren't working properly anyway.

I was blown away by the driving dynamics and the silly torque and sort of overlooked a few other items.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,162 Posts
But most of these things you mention are built into the car and you should have realized that when ordering while inquiring at a dealer about the options. Like the adjustable steering wheel, no where is this an option to order hence not there.

The only thing that is not living up to standards for me is the infotainment system as this is not at the level it needs to be at but is still good enough in the long run, simply not for a 90k car. I still trust an update is coming which will improve things, just like Tesla did with their first ModelS

All of the other stuff I realized were never there and hence no point in mentioning them. But then again I had the luxury of borrowing an IPace for a weekend to play around with before making my decision, im assuming not many had that here.
It is so weird that I have reread what I wrote several times and still can’t find where I indicated I thought I bought a car with an power adjustable steering wheel only to discover it was missing later...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
139 Posts
It is so weird that I have reread what I wrote several times and still can’t find where I indicated I thought I bought a car with an power adjustable steering wheel only to discover it was missing later...
Thats not the point im trying to make here, many of the things on your list are not malfunctioning, they are simply there by design. Whether a 90k car should have these or not can be argued but my point being that this stuff was communicated and visible in the car at all times or the information should be available from a dealer. If people arent happy with things on your list then great, but its never been an option with the IPace. Should some of those be an option, yes likely but as of today they arent.

Infotainment is an issue as it is not performing as expected for some and seems to be very inconsistent. That shouldnt be for a car in this price class, or any car for that matter. But infotainment is also the biggest complaint for all cars now a days if my statistics are correct
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,162 Posts
We have had power steering columns on several of our cars, including our current CT6. I simply don't use it after my initial setup. Even the rearview is automatic (digital).

Try this: Program your fob to ingress. Program Memory 3 to your preferred driving urban setting. Program 2 to your track position or spouse fob whichever is best for you.
So when you unlock, your seat is set for ingress. Then press 3 to configure your cruising position.
I appreciate the tip, but of course that steering column doesn’t play, so really it’s only 1/2 of a work around. Also eliminates the ability to set up multiple profiles.

And yes, I completely understand that something has to ‘give’ if they want to keep the car affordable, so they can not load it with unlimited options. I’m just surprised/disappointed in some of the choices. But what I find useful, others don’t and vice versa.

Comparing feature for feature the car falls behind similarly priced ICEVs., but of course it leads in other areas and the value that comparison is widely varied between people, and that should be ok.

I would expect a vast majority of owners will say they are satisfied with their purchase, but there are bound to be some that are not. I think it is helpful for perspective buyers to hear from both groups. More information is better.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
999 Posts
The interior is much nicer than an X3. The Jagura seats are far better, the acceleration is far stronger, and the handling is superior. It's also quieter. A loaded X5 50i is around 76k MSRP. A loaded iPace is 10k more MSRP, so you're paying maybe ~15k more out the door to get an EV that is, as a driver's car, superior. I'll take that trade happily.

The non-power wheel is a minor inconvenience. Would I prefer power? Sure. Does it really matter? Nah. The start time for nav and all that is insignificant to me. If the car can start, I don't care. The bugs with the screens haven't happened for me, so I can't complain. Really, I buy cars for how they drive and how they feel to sit in, and Jaguar has hit the ball out of the park with the I-Pace.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8 Posts
Cancelled my order and will watch from the sidelines to see if they get the many issues, big and small, ironed out.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
2,269 Posts
Cancelled my order and will watch from the sidelines to see if they get the many issues, big and small, ironed out.
Most people don't have any issues and by now you're past the first batch of vehicles, which is always buggier than later ones. Anyway, best of luck finding an exciting ride that doesn't have issues.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,494 Posts
...

Comparing feature for feature the car falls behind similarly priced ICEVs...
Well, let's see. First qualifier is EV acceleration, since that's the most expensive option on the car. So we need to find a cheap example of something with 12.9 ETs and 0-60mph in 4.5s performance. We will ignore the fact an EV of similar 0-60 times will rape an ICE car in traffic. Closest I can find is the $51k Porsche Macan. You can power it up to 348HP by optioning it. It is the same length as the I-Pace, but with a much shorter wheelbase, and much smaller trunk, and small back seats. But it is cheap for a powerful CUV, running 4.9 seconds to 60 is no slouch.

Now let's option it to I-Pace levels when possible:

The 2019 Porsche Macan mini-CUV starts at $51k, but we need to trim it closer.
Add:
Red paint
Cheapest 20" wheels
6 cylinder 3L 348HP engine (not a high performance engine, the normal Caddy 3.0 is 404HP)
Leather seats, heated, 18 way with memory (I-Pace is 24way heated and cooled)
Carplay, ambient lighting, stereo upgrade, glass roof
Upgraded headlights
Window tint
Air and digital dampened suspension
Lap timer
Park assist
360 view
LKA
ACC
Heated windshield
Ionizer
Steering wheel heat
Leather interior trim
Alcantara ceiling

It has a single Off-Road button without inclinometer or anti-rollover, and can ford 13" of water (20" for I-Pace with A/R, multi-mode off-road system, etc).

$101k+ MSRP

But you don't get HUD.

You do get a power steering column with the optional deluxe seat / memory package.

Which is the better value? It depends on how badly you want a gas engine.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,162 Posts
Thats not the point im trying to make here, many of the things on your list are not malfunctioning, they are simply there by design. Whether a 90k car should have these or not can be argued but my point being that this stuff was communicated and visible in the car at all times or the information should be available from a dealer. If people arent happy with things on your list then great, but its never been an option with the IPace. Should some of those be an option, yes likely but as of today they arent.

Infotainment is an issue as it is not performing as expected for some and seems to be very inconsistent. That shouldnt be for a car in this price class, or any car for that matter. But infotainment is also the biggest complaint for all cars now a days if my statistics are correct
Quite honestly I have no idea what 'point' you are trying to make, except you don't seem to like my opinion about my car...Nowhere have I said things are 'malfunctioning'. As a matter of fact, I am one of, what seems to be a small number, that doesn't complain about blank/laggy screens or the infotainment. What I did say, was that given the option to return the car, now that I've lived with it for 3 months & 4000 miles, is yes, I would. Without a second thought. I also said that "there is a lot to like about the car & if you are committed to BEV above most else, it is probably the right car to have."

However, as we ALL should understand, there is no 'perfect' car, so one needs to decide which things one is willing to accept and which things one just can't happily live without. Sometimes those little things that are small annoyances and easily overlooked at first, become a rock in your shoe over time. It happens in all areas of life, that is why there is this thing called divorce. You pick a person that just seems to be all that and a bag of chips, but then discover that one thing they do that used to be charming, is now REALLY annoying...

I could have chosen to buy just about any car I wanted. I chose the I Pace, which in hindsight, was a mistake for me. I accepted the fact that feature-wise, the I Pace fell a bit short compared to every other car I considered, including other JLR vehicles. But, I had decided I was willing to accept that BEV 'premium'. Unfortunately for me, I wasn't prepared for the true 'cost' of that premium. Consider it this way, I fell in love with that truck stop waitress after a heavy night of drinking, got married in the chapel down the road and then woke up the next morning...She's a fine, sturdy woman who can do a lot of things right, just not the things I want to live with long term...
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,162 Posts
Well, let's see. First qualifier is EV acceleration, since that's the most expensive option on the car. So we need to find a cheap example of something with 12.9 ETs and 0-60mph in 4.5s performance. We will ignore the fact an EV of similar 0-60 times will rape an ICE car in traffic. Closest I can find is the $51k Porsche Macan. You can power it up to 348HP by optioning it. It is the same length as the I-Pace, but with a much shorter wheelbase, and much smaller trunk, and small back seats. But it is cheap for a powerful CUV, running 4.9 seconds to 60 is no slouch.

Now let's option it to I-Pace levels when possible:

The 2019 Porsche Macan mini-CUV starts at $51k, but we need to trim it closer.
Add:
Red paint
Cheapest 20" wheels
6 cylinder 3L 348HP engine (not a high performance engine, the normal Caddy 3.0 is 404HP)
Leather seats, heated, 18 way with memory (I-Pace is 24way heated and cooled)
Carplay, ambient lighting, stereo upgrade, glass roof
Upgraded headlights
Window tint
Air and digital dampened suspension
Lap timer
Park assist
360 view
LKA
ACC
Heated windshield
Ionizer
Steering wheel heat
Leather interior trim
Alcantara ceiling

It has a single Off-Road button without inclinometer or anti-rollover, and can ford 13" of water (20" for I-Pace with A/R, multi-mode off-road system, etc).

$101k+ MSRP

But you don't get HUD.

You do get a power steering column with the optional deluxe seat / memory package.

Which is the better value? It depends on how badly you want a gas engine.
- "First qualifier is EV acceleration": not even in my top 20 of things I consider when buying a car. Can't recall the last time going 0-60 in 4.5 seconds vs 7 seconds made a difference. But as I said, if a BEV is the most important thing, the I Pace is probably the right car for you.


- go to a JLR dealer and compare a $70,000 F-Pace to a $90,000 I-Pace; feature-wise, the F-Pace has it by a margin.

- plain and simple, you are paying a premium to have a BEV. Whether that premium is worth the cost is an individual decision. 'Which is the better value?' It depends on how badly you want a big-ass battery powered car versus a petrol powered car.


The primary reason I have never bought a Tesla is I just could not get over the idea of paying $90k for a car that felt like a $30k Malibu with a giant I Pad mounted to the dash. Hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners disagree with me. The I Pace solved that 'cheapness' factor. It is a very nice car, but to me it just isn't $90k nice and the fact that it is a BEV turns out is not worth the cost to me.

I think it is awesome that others salivate at the thought of their I-Pace. But I have to admit I am surprised on the rabidness of some of the fans when they encounter someone who is slightly less enamored...If I am looking for advice on a product, I would rather hear from those that aren't so blinded by their love of the thing that they can't seem to see it's faults...on the flipside, I would also prefer to steer clear of those so blinded by their hate, that they can't see the positives.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
39 Posts
Discussion Starter #35
Well I’m still committed to keeping my reservation. I think the most important point for me is that the main issues that people have mentioned can be fixed with software updates. If the car had major hardware issues I would likely bail. I’m hopeful that not only will the major issues get fixed, but that the infotainment system will constantly improve through over the air updates. I doubt Jaguar will be as innovative and aggressive as Tesla about improving the infotainment system, but I’m confident that they will at least iron out the bugs.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,162 Posts
Well I’m still committed to keeping my reservation. I think the most important point for me is that the main issues that people have mentioned can be fixed with software updates. If the car had major hardware issues I would likely bail. I’m hopeful that not only will the major issues get fixed, but that the infotainment system will constantly improve through over the air updates. I doubt Jaguar will be as innovative and aggressive as Tesla about improving the infotainment system, but I’m confident that they will at least iron out the bugs.
I have had no issues with the infotainment & I have an early build car. Sure it can be a bit laggy, but it has never been an issue. Granted, I do not use the JLR nav or voice control, maybe if I relied on them, it would be a bigger issues, but I don't, so it is not. If you are experienced with BEVs, I would guess you will be very happy with your I-Pace. If you are not an experienced BEV driver, be prepared for unanticipated things, which may or may not be an issue for you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,494 Posts
- "First qualifier is EV acceleration": not even in my top 20 of things I consider when buying a car. Can't recall the last time going 0-60 in 4.5 seconds vs 7 seconds made a difference. But as I said, if a BEV is the most important thing, the I Pace is probably the right car for you.


- go to a JLR dealer and compare a $70,000 F-Pace to a $90,000 I-Pace; feature-wise, the F-Pace has it by a margin.

- plain and simple, you are paying a premium to have a BEV. Whether that premium is worth the cost is an individual decision. 'Which is the better value?' It depends on how badly you want a big-ass battery powered car versus a petrol powered car.


The primary reason I have never bought a Tesla is I just could not get over the idea of paying $90k for a car that felt like a $30k Malibu with a giant I Pad mounted to the dash. Hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners disagree with me. The I Pace solved that 'cheapness' factor. It is a very nice car, but to me it just isn't $90k nice and the fact that it is a BEV turns out is not worth the cost to me.

I think it is awesome that others salivate at the thought of their I-Pace. But I have to admit I am surprised on the rabidness of some of the fans when they encounter someone who is slightly less enamored...If I am looking for advice on a product, I would rather hear from those that aren't so blinded by their love of the thing that they can't seem to see it's faults...on the flipside, I would also prefer to steer clear of those so blinded by their hate, that they can't see the positives.
I feel the same way about BMW, Audi, MB, and Porsche. None of them are worth the MSRP for what you get. You can spend less and get more car.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
1,162 Posts
I feel the same way about BMW, Audi, MB, and Porsche. None of them are worth the MSRP for what you get. You can spend less and get more car.
That’s why there are so many choices of cars; everyone’s taste is different.

btw- I went to the local Cadillac dealer to look at what was available and unless I wanted an Escalade, it was very clear they were not interested in talking to me. That ended my attempt at a Cadillac. I walked away from considering waiting for an eTron because a similar complete lack of interest by the salesman in even discussing it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,494 Posts
- "First qualifier is EV acceleration": not even in my top 20 of things I consider when buying a car. Can't recall the last time going 0-60 in 4.5 seconds vs 7 seconds made a difference. But as I said, if a BEV is the most important thing, the I Pace is probably the right car for you.

...
I want the brakes to work excellent, the steering to work excellent, and the drivetrain to work excellent.

Carbon ceramic or even the bi-metal Brembos do the first. Double wishbone, advanced dampeners, rigid chassis, and great tires do the second.

What does the third? What is the most effective, smoothest, best behaved driveline? Electromotive drive.

EVs are to powertrains what automatic transmissions are to manual transmissions. It's more 'fun' to drive a 8,000 rpm gas car with a stick on a track, but it's more relaxing to drive an EV in urban situations.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
2,269 Posts
It is a very nice car, but to me it just isn't $90k nice and the fact that it is a BEV turns out is not worth the cost to me.
It doesn't sound like you're very much resource-limited, so why not sell it back to your dealer, take the hit, and buy the car you really want? No sense in having a car you're not happy with!
 
21 - 40 of 147 Posts
Top