What to love or hate about the 2018+ Jaguar I-Pace?

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Discussion Starter · Dec 3, 2018

If you can share a few things about your ownership of the Jaguar I-Pace, what would it be? The most liked or hated, share them with every one I am sure you won't be the only one.

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McRat

· #2 · Dec 3, 2018

It's a very relaxing to drive once you get everything set the way you like. I would say it's the most relaxing car I've driven so far. It handles a lot like the 2009 CTS-V, with similar punch, but without the lag. This is street driving though.
It's also a very fun car to drive when you want to get playful. No surprises.

What do I think Jaguar needs to improve?
I want a kW display for accel/regen #'s also instead of a radial bar graph. I like numbers.
The prototypes came with a dual pigtail NEMA 5-15 & 14-50, so you could charge with the EVSE using either 120v or 240v. A 10 amp 120v NEMA 5-15 is virtually useless on a heavy EV with a big battery. It's probably best used as a tow rope.
Should have had at least a lightweight trailer hitch option, not just for hauling bicycles or a very light trailer, but to also use as a pull point if stuck.
HUD should adjust even lower on the windshield for tall people. I like the HUD right on the bonnet top, not in my field of vision.

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dtgsrq

· #3 · Dec 4, 2018

Yet to take delivery, but my favorite feature (aside from g's on acceleration) is heavy regen (1-pedal) operation. The drag feels much like downshifting a manual transmission, but knowing this drag is actually HELPING with energy consumption (not detracting, like a downshift) is cool.

Biggest pet peeve (posted elswhere) is aesthetic: the dull black plastic license plate area (see pic below). Should have gloss body color finish!

Final note, shout-out to Joshuableu for mention of "Badge Delete" in his signature. Now I'm investigating that for my triple black (exterior paint, seats/interior, black trim package) i-Pace!

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sflgator

· #4 · Dec 4, 2018

PROs thus far: Smooth, supple, quiet ride. Aa absolute pleasure to drive! Great power and torque when you want to have some fun and it's available anytime, all the time. You can really feel the weight of the vehicle (which is a good thing in my book; I don't like it when it feels light and "toss-able" on the road), tight, sports car-like steering and handling. It's obvious high quality interior as well as a very nice looking, somewhat unique exterior wedge shape. I'm also very happy that JLR finally added Voice Controls for Navigation and other features, something even our 2018 Land Rover RR Velar doesn't have (we still have to manually enter in a destination address with our finger and it's painfully slow with the same Touch Pro Duo on the Velar).

CONs thus far: Although I'm getting the range as advertised or so it would seem (probably around 210-230mi. on a single charge in city driving), averaging about 39-40 kWh/100 mi., I wish the max range would've been like 260-300 mi. with better battery efficiency (while still having all the available power) and 200-240 mi. with "spirited driving." Maybe the battery should've been a 100kW battery instead of a 90kW battery (with ~ 84kW available usage). That would've been a real game changer. A small change like adding "paddle shifters" or a button closer to the driver (on the steering wheel perhaps?) for easier access to allow the driver to quickly change the Driving Mode and/or another feature that drivers may want to change on the fly. Also - one last thing I noticed (which I believe has been discussed somewhere on the Forum) is the issue with the "one pedal driving" - brake regen on high and coming to a stop on a slight (or steep) uphill incline...you MUST press the brake, even just a very light press in order to stop; otherwise, the I-Pace will roll backward and likely hit the vehicle behind you! I'm finding that just to be on the safe side and ensure the vehicle is in fact stopped at a red light or whatever, I will slightly press the brake in order to stop. Then, I'll lift off the brake (hoping my brake light is still on for the cars behind me) and wait for the light to turn green.

I'm sure I can think of many other Pros and Cons as time goes on but just in the few days I've been driving my I-Pace with just about 150 mi. on the odometer, that's what I have so far. It's a wonderful vehicle and this I-Pace being my first EV, I truly believe it won't be my last EV.

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Dantrium

· #5 · Dec 4, 2018

Not 'hated', but rather annoyances and/or recommendations for improvement:

1. Water drips off the tailgate when opened. It runs down the lower part of the inside panel a drips onto you.
2. Tailgate should have a 'lock' button. As it is, you need to wait for the tailgate to completely close before you can lock the car. Super annoying when it is cold and sleeting/snowing out.
3. An 'auto-lock' feature. i.e. 15 seconds after walking away from the car it locks itself.
4. Capacitive door handles to trigger the lock/unlock versus the little button.
5. Lighted door handles to make it easier to find the little button.
6. Rear camera seems to collect dirt and grime too easily
7. Electric tilt wheel
8. Seats should move back and the wheel move up automatically when exiting the car
9. Charging port door cover seems overly big and flimsy
10. No warning of any kind if the charging port door doesn't latch and you start driving
11. Steering assist shuts off without warning; well except the solid lines go to dash lines, but no other audible/visual alert.
12. the included charger is a joke.
13. Need a watch app version of the Jaguar software.
14. It would be great if the Jaguar app tracked the energy loaded back into the car.

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sflgator

· #6 · Dec 4, 2018

Dantrium said:
Not 'hated', but rather annoyances and/or recommendations for improvement:

1. Water drips off the tailgate when opened. It runs down the lower part of the inside panel a drips onto you.
2. Tailgate should have a 'lock' button. As it is, you need to wait for the tailgate to completely close before you can lock the car. Super annoying when it is cold and sleeting/snowing out.
3. An 'auto-lock' feature. i.e. 15 seconds after walking away from the car it locks itself.
4. Capacitive door handles to trigger the lock/unlock versus the little button.
5. Lighted door handles to make it easier to find the little button.
6. Rear camera seems to collect dirt and grime too easily
7. Electric tilt wheel
8. Seats should move back and the wheel move up automatically when exiting the car
9. Charging port door cover seems overly big and flimsy
10. No warning of any kind if the charging port door doesn't latch and you start driving
11. Steering assist shuts off without warning; well except the solid lines go to dash lines, but no other audible/visual alert.
12. the included charger is a joke.
13. Need a watch app version of the Jaguar software.
14. It would be great if the Jaguar app tracked the energy loaded back into the car.

Hope you're not married. You sure are picky, LOL!

Just kidding around. Certainly there's always room for improvement on ANY vehicle and you make some good points. The "auto access" (entry & exit) with the driver's seat & power steering wheel moving out of the way & back into your preferring setting would be nice. BTW - we see you have many annoyances/recommendations for improvement but where are your "Likes" (PROs)?

Dantrium

· #7 · Dec 4, 2018

sflgator said:
Hope you're not married. You sure are picky, LOL! [img= class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Just kidding around. Certainly there's always room for improvement on ANY vehicle and you make some good points. The "auto access" (entry & exit) with the driver's seat & power steering wheel moving out of the way & back into your preferring setting would be nice. BTW - we see you have many annoyances/recommendations for improvement but where are your "Likes" (PROs)? [img= class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Seems like everything on that list are things that wouldn’t be too hard to do and I don’t imagine anyone would see any of them as a detractor.

As far as ‘pros’, I honestly do not have anything that stands out from my last several cars. It’s a great car, build quality overall is top notch and it has most of the nice fit/finish/convenience I would expect in a car that cost nearly $90k. I like the puddle lights, although others feel they are too blingy. The kids like playing with the ambient light settings, but I don’t really think about them. The full panel glass roof is nice.

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Joshuableu

· #8 · Dec 4, 2018

Dantrium said:
Not 'hated', but rather annoyances and/or recommendations for improvement:

1. Water drips off the tailgate when opened. It runs down the lower part of the inside panel a drips onto you.
2. Tailgate should have a 'lock' button. As it is, you need to wait for the tailgate to completely close before you can lock the car. Super annoying when it is cold and sleeting/snowing out.
3. An 'auto-lock' feature. i.e. 15 seconds after walking away from the car it locks itself.
4. Capacitive door handles to trigger the lock/unlock versus the little button.
5. Lighted door handles to make it easier to find the little button.
6. Rear camera seems to collect dirt and grime too easily
7. Electric tilt wheel
8. Seats should move back and the wheel move up automatically when exiting the car
9. Charging port door cover seems overly big and flimsy
10. No warning of any kind if the charging port door doesn't latch and you start driving
11. Steering assist shuts off without warning; well except the solid lines go to dash lines, but no other audible/visual alert.
12. the included charger is a joke.
13. Need a watch app version of the Jaguar software.
14. It would be great if the Jaguar app tracked the energy loaded back into the car.

Regarding your #13 - Watch app; it says there is one and there are screenshots of it.

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Dantrium

· #9 · Dec 4, 2018

Joshuableu said:
Regarding your #13 - Watch app; it says there is one and there are screenshots of it.

It’s there! Thank you!

fedorachef

· #10 · Dec 5, 2018

sflgator said:
PROs thus far: Smooth, supple, quiet ride. Aa absolute pleasure to drive! Great power and torque when you want to have some fun and it's available anytime, all the time. You can really feel the weight of the vehicle (which is a good thing in my book; I don't like it when it feels light and "toss-able" on the road), tight, sports car-like steering and handling. It's obvious high quality interior as well as a very nice looking, somewhat unique exterior wedge shape. I'm also very happy that JLR finally added Voice Controls for Navigation and other features...

Voice controls for nav don't work for me and I was told wasn't available by the guy who came out to my home to run through features. Maybe I need a software update?

sflgator

· #11 · Dec 5, 2018

fedorachef said:
Voice controls for nav don't work for me and I was told wasn't available by the guy who came out to my home to run through features. Maybe I need a software update?

Mine work. My software is fully updated, so yes, maybe you need a software update?

fedorachef

· #12 · Dec 5, 2018

I traded a Tesla Model X for my I-Pace.

Immediately I loved the quality of build, fit & finish close to flawless, performance, handling, etc. I'm not loving the Goodyear tires wrapped on the 20's. I do love the interior, but actually miss my soft cushy white seats from the Tesla. I'm sure the leather on the I-Pace will break in over time.

My biggest gripe is with the range. For a $90k car with 90kw battery, I feel we should be seeing closer to 280 range vs lower 200. My display range has dropped over the last few weeks of owning and I barely use heater or a/c or drive it hard. I complained about this to my dealer who is still working with tech office in NJ to figure out if the car is getting the proper range. They did a battery reset once and it charged to 279, then next two charges were in the 240's, then drop to 230's, then to 220's now 211-213. Coming from Tesla this is really odd results. My Tesla charged full to 265 99% of the time; sometimes dropped to 261, but never lower. I feel it was much more efficient for consumption as well. I drove it up and down CA multiple times with ease and just needing a quick stop at a supercharger here and there. In the I-Pace I would not try a drive from Nor Cal to So Cal. I'm sure it is possible, but it would take way too long with stops and waiting for charging.

I'm also surprised to see they went with a 7kw on board charger and limiting to 120 for dc fast charging. Home Tesla High Amp (80a) wall charger was putting out 54 miles per hour vs the Chargepoint w/ I-Pace 20 miles per hour. My Tesla did have the upgraded high speed onboard charger which I believe was 17kw or so. I don't agree with the philosophy that home charging should just be a slow overnight thing. Being in the bay area I drive all over the place all the time and want to be able to charge up a decent amount without needing to wait hours.

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fedorachef

· #13 · Dec 5, 2018

sflgator said:
Mine work. My software is fully updated, so yes, maybe you need a software update?

What version are you own and what are some examples of nav options can you speak? When a say Nav to or go to xyz it says this function is not yet available.

Time2Roll

· #14 · Dec 5, 2018

fedorachef said:
My biggest gripe is with the range. For a $90k car with 90kw battery, I feel we should be seeing closer to 280 range vs lower 200. My display range has dropped over the last few weeks of owning and I barely use heater or a/c or drive it hard. I complained about this to my dealer who is still working with tech office in NJ to figure out if the car is getting the proper range. They did a battery reset once and it charged to 279, then next two charges were in the 240's, then drop to 230's, then to 220's now 211-213. Coming from Tesla this is really odd results. My Tesla charged full to 265 99% of the time; sometimes dropped to 261, but never lower. I feel it was much more efficient for consumption as well. I drove it up and down CA multiple times with ease and just needing a quick stop at a supercharger here and there. In the I-Pace I would not try a drive from Nor Cal to So Cal. I'm sure it is possible, but it would take way too long with stops and waiting for charging.

Did you track how accurate the Tesla DTE was compared to the I-Pace DTE using the odometer to verify both?
Just charging to a number is not really the same.

sciencegeek

· #15 · Dec 5, 2018

fedorachef said:
I traded a Tesla Model X for my I-Pace.

Immediately I loved the quality of build, fit & finish close to flawless, performance, handling, etc. I'm not loving the Goodyear tires wrapped on the 20's. I do love the interior, but actually miss my soft cushy white seats from the Tesla. I'm sure the leather on the I-Pace will break in over time.

My biggest gripe is with the range. For a $90k car with 90kw battery, I feel we should be seeing closer to 280 range vs lower 200. My display range has dropped over the last few weeks of owning and I barely use heater or a/c or drive it hard. I complained about this to my dealer who is still working with tech office in NJ to figure out if the car is getting the proper range. They did a battery reset once and it charged to 279, then next two charges were in the 240's, then drop to 230's, then to 220's now 211-213. Coming from Tesla this is really odd results. My Tesla charged full to 265 99% of the time; sometimes dropped to 261, but never lower. I feel it was much more efficient for consumption as well. I drove it up and down CA multiple times with ease and just needing a quick stop at a supercharger here and there. In the I-Pace I would not try a drive from Nor Cal to So Cal. I'm sure it is possible, but it would take way too long with stops and waiting for charging.

I'm also surprised to see they went with a 7kw on board charger and limiting to 120 for dc fast charging. Home Tesla High Amp (80a) wall charger was putting out 54 miles per hour vs the Chargepoint w/ I-Pace 20 miles per hour. My Tesla did have the upgraded high speed onboard charger which I believe was 17kw or so. I don't agree with the philosophy that home charging should just be a slow overnight thing. Being in the bay area I drive all over the place all the time and want to be able to charge up a decent amount without needing to wait hours.

Alright. At this point I think it's pretty clear that the consensus is summarized here:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-jaguar-i-pace-by-the-numbers

I guess it's all about expectations. For the driving that I will be doing routinely (and even for some long weekends) the range will be just fine. And around town, who gives a hoot about range? People get worked up about corner cases and hypotheticals.

WattAJag

· #16 · Dec 5, 2018

Joshuableu said:
Regarding your #13 - Watch app; it says there is one and there are screenshots of it.

Is there one for Samsung Gear/Android watch?

McRat

· #17 · Dec 5, 2018 (Edited)

fedorachef said:
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My biggest gripe is with the range. For a $90k car with 90kw battery, I feel we should be seeing closer to 280 range vs lower 200. ...

If you trim out a Model X with the 237 mile range to be similar to a First Edition, the Tesla is over $10,000 more. That would be MX 75D with red paint, nice 20" wheels, light interior, and autosteering + ACC. It has a larger boot, and gullwing doors, and can be used with Tesla chargers, L2 SAE, and CHAdeMO facilities.
However, the FE has a lot more tricks up it's sleeve than the Model X. Some are pretty significant, like the blind spot mirrors, HUD, and 360° View.

So the i-Pace is more akin to a Model X 75D which has a 237mi EPA range when charged at 100%. But the Jag is cheaper, handles better, can be tracked (comes with a simple track computer and track mode), is quicker, and more snow/off-road capable.

So battery size is battery size. Like engine displacement.

Did you ever find out what your true range was in your Model X? Hint, it's not that number you see on a Tesla dash, that's basically a gas needle. It goes down as the battery wears, it does not learn your driving style. Driven like a civilized human, my i-Pace reads 253 miles after charging. I'm down to 211 miles now, and loving every mile. I even turned the Growl on. Hehehe... >

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McRat

· #18 · Dec 5, 2018

sciencegeek said:
Alright. At this point I think it's pretty clear that the consensus is summarized here:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2019-jaguar-i-pace-by-the-numbers

I guess it's all about expectations. For the driving that I will be doing routinely (and even for some long weekends) the range will be just fine. And around town, who gives a hoot about range? People get worked up about corner cases and hypotheticals.

There was a comparison in a euro magazine that compared the true range of the Model X to the i-Pace, and the i-Pace would go further on a charge. I'll see if I can find that article. Tesla exaggerated their number, Jaguar hit their number.

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fedorachef

· #19 · Dec 5, 2018 (Edited)

McRat said:
If you trim out a Model X with the 237 mile range to be similar to a First Edition, the Tesla is over $10,000 more. That would be MX 75D with red paint, nice 20" wheels, light interior, and autosteering + ACC. It has a larger boot, and gullwing doors, and can be used with Tesla chargers, L2 SAE, and CHAdeMO facilities.
However, the FE has a lot more tricks up it's sleeve than the Model X. Some are pretty significant, like the blind spot mirrors, HUD, and 360° View.

So the i-Pace is more akin to a Model X 75D which has a 237mi EPA range when charged at 100%. But the Jag is cheaper, handles better, can be tracked (comes with a simple track computer and track mode), is quicker, and more snow/off-road capable.

So battery size is battery size. Like engine displacement.

Did you ever find out what your true range was in your Model X? Hint, it's not that number you see on a Tesla dash, that's basically a gas needle. It goes down as the battery wears, it does not learn your driving style. Driven like a civilized human, my i-Pace reads 253 miles after charging. I'm down to 211 miles now, and loving every mile. I even turned the Growl on. Hehehe... >

My Tesla was a 90D and range was 265 and very accurate to getting that as actual range. I'm surprised to hear your seeing 253, mine is nowhere near that so maybe tech in NJ will find something up with my car. Did recently learn that my battery software is on v13.2 vs 14.2 and informed dealer about that today. Their looking into why I'm not on the latest software and how to update.

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fedorachef

· #20 · Dec 5, 2018

McRat said:
There was a comparison in a euro magazine that compared the true range of the Model X to the i-Pace, and the i-Pace would go further on a charge. I'll see if I can find that article. Tesla exaggerated their number, Jaguar hit their number.

Thought this was a good video, granted its from earlier this year, but they talk about how the max range is 480km (298 miles). Man, that would be nice if it was reality.

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