[dernotte]

When I roadtrip, I cycle between <10% and 50ish. That means about 100 min of hwy travel and then a meal, a coffee or visiting something (like Ben and Jerry's). Works great for me, because I will fly if the distance is over ~350 miles.

Absolutelly, that is the way to minimize the charging time, and get the best charging curve.

 

[glenroebuck]

For 90% of my driving at home charging is fine. That being said when I do need DC fast charging, the rate at which the Ipace charges is ... disappointing. That coupled with "not great" real world range means I am spending at least an hour at a DC fast charger. Granted I drive a 2019 but even in 2019 100Kw was low. For example, my last trip was from Clevland to Detroit I planned my route, there were EA Fast chargers right by my meeting, arrived with 10% (from 100%). Meeting over I drive to the Fast chargers. 350 Kw stall #1 won't connect at all. Stall #2 is down. Stall # has a car in it and the other charger is chadmo. Guy in the ID4 leaves so I get to plug in. Boom 48Kw. This was in summer 84 degrees outside. I go into walmart to try and kill time, grab a drink for the road. Come out. Three cars waiting for charger after they figure out the 350kw charger is not connecting. Angry guy ask me why a 90,000 dollar ev only charges at 48kw (he has a Kia Ioniq 6) and if he can jump in since he gets 150kw and need to go home. I say "so do I and I have a longer drive." He leaves in a huff. an hour over when I started I get 63%, enough to get me to the EA station on the turnpike so I leave as the two F150 lightings fight for who was next.

 

[dernotte]

Unfortunately neither the car nor the charger makes the « negociation » public and clearly visible on the charger’s display, but that would help a lot to understand the reason why we only have 48kw on 350kw charger on a car that can accept 102kw.
we have a lot of 100kw chargers around here and I have explained a million time to EV drivers that those 100kw chargers can deliver 500V/200A, but since the car is a 400v technology you can only get 400x200 (80kw) out of it in best condition. Not more. If this were properly explained on the charger’s display, people could understand. In your case, the initial SoC and Battery temp are the 2 main limiting factors here

 

[Never_another_Jaguar]

I recently charged my ‘19 I Pace at an EVgo fast DC charger. I was able to get 60 miles added in 40 minutes for ~$17.50.

Using high school algebra I concluded:

• I received the equivalent of 5 gallons of gas (I figured $3.50/gallon)
• 5 gallons of gas produced 60 miles range
• I’m getting 12 mpg

It’s been a long time since high school, so my algebra and math skills may be lacking. But if this is correct, this is horrible!

Additionally, as I’m sure you all know, 60 miles range in the winter doesn’t actually equate to 60 miles. So I think I actually did much worse than 12 mpg.

I have a ‘19 I Pace, so Jaguar is supposedly buying these back, so this may not be an issue for me moving forward, but this is making me reconsider getting another EV. Maybe it’s just that EVgo is overpriced. Either way, I’m likely going to have to go back to an ICE☹

 

[sciencegeek]

On the face of it, your math is correct. I'm making some assumptions here to explain what happened:
1. Your battery was cold, so charging speed was slow (or the EVgo charger - Car interaction was flawed and limited your charging speed, this sometimes happens)
2. You are in an area where EVgo charges by the minute, not by actual power delivered. See https://helpcenter.evgo.com/hc/en-us/articles/10940023971735-Time-of-Use-TOU-pricing-explained
2.a. Had EVGo been charging by power delivered, and assuming that 60 miles is 25% of battery capacity, what would translate to almost $1 per kWh. That seems too high even for EVgo.

I would not throw in the towel for EVs. Most modern EVs don't have the battery management issues that our I-Paces have.

 

[glenroebuck]

I have a bmw i4 as well and I can tell you ea chargers suck. I switched to echo ultium chargers and get much better charge rates

 

[23iPace]

I second the “not throwing in the towel on EVs” notion. I happen to (still) love the ipace, it’s the best daily we’ve ever had and that includes a panamera, an E class, and an FX35. It’s been more reliable than any of the others, faster and nicer to drive … and somehow we’ve gotten by without ever fast charging - we just charge at home and when we road trip, we’ve been able to destination charge either level 1 or level 2 depending on the scenario, and that’s been enough to get us home. And we recently added a second daily driver to the fleet that’s gas powered, so that’ll presumably be the new road tripper.

I know there are EVs with better range and charging speed, but I have yet to come across one that drives as well, has as nice an interior, and still has some physical controls for climate etc.

I think it comes down to use case… if your situation allows charging at home and limited long-distance road trips and / or you have an ICE car for road trips, I can’t think of a better daily driver than the ipace. If you frequently need to public charge, I imagine this car would eventually become infuriating.

Edit: and I realize that I started this thread based on concerns about fast charging speeds, but seeing now what life is actually like with an EV, it’s become far less a concern, for me personally anyway

anyway, here’s hoping that the buyback extends to MY2020 vehicles … so that I can have a reason to go buy a slightly newer ipace

 

[Time2Roll]

If it is cold a significant amount could be used to heat the battery. Likewise if cold, the estimated range is lower expecting the heat to be used heavily.
And yes EVGo is expensive. I would not recommend any fast charge as the primary source. L3 is just for road trips. L2 at home is best unless free or low cost at your employer.

 

[kort6776]

the Ipace is a slower charging car when using L3 charging. this is one of the flaws of the Ipace. I rarely road trip in the Ipace because of it's lower range and slower charging.