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#1 ·
Looks like my Eagles are running low, hence considering options.
Wanted to go wider, but front suspension seemingly won't accept anything more than 255 (on 20") without spacers which I prefer not to, especially already lowered.
So out of 255/50R20 with appropriate load rating, the selection of not outrageously pricey performance tires of proven brands is not that big:
  • same Goodyear Eagle Sport which I think could have better traction;
  • Continental DWS 06 Plus which looks pretty great but still $300 a piece (and I've replaced 3 tires in past year due to punctures);
  • maybe some Pirellis (Scorpion Zero ?).
Let me folks know if I'm missing anything in respect to the size (any easy way of going wider ?), and what you would pick brand / model-wise.
 
#2 ·
I'm not ready for tires yet, but planning ahead I was also considering going with the 255/50R20 over the 245/50. Tire selection is much better with the 255, and I don't really like the Goodyear Eagles. I think the Pirelli Scorpion Zero A/S Plus or the DWS06 Plus would be the best options. I usually prefer Michelins, and their Premier LTX DT might be pretty good too. Any of those 3 options should be an improvement over the Eagles, but if I needed a set of tires today I'd probably go for the DWS06 Plus. They're supposed to be pretty good tires, but I've never owned a set. I wish Michelin made a Pilot Sport A/S 4 in this size. That series was my tire of choice for my previous 2 vehicles.
 
#27 ·
Any of those 3 options should be an improvement over the Eagles, but if I needed a set of tires today I'd probably go for the DWS06 Plus. They're supposed to be pretty good tires, but I've never owned a set. I wish Michelin made a Pilot Sport A/S 4 in this size. That series was my tire of choice for my previous 2 vehicles.
In New Zealand the Goodyear Eagles are standard but they just did not seem like the right tyres to me for a number of reasons. Just as they wore out at 25k Michelin released their Pilot Sport SUV. We fitted a set of 265/50/20, slightly bigger but no rubbing.
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A bonus was that the larger circumference brought the speedo indicator down from the ridiculous 6k over to just 2k at 100kph true. Quieter, grippier (dry and especially wet) and more comfortable than Eagles. I run Pilot Sports on my 3 other ICE Jags and the iPace was transformed just like the XJ12s and XJR were. The Comfort/Dynamic option works really well with these tyres but the Dynamic mode (if driven hard) is more fun for the driver than passengers. Our iPace has done 60,000 km on them, with another 10,000 km still there judging by the depth bars. We have ordered another set.
Unfortunately Michelin will not be bringing their new Pilot Sport EV tyre into New Zealand with the right size for the iPace (too few on the road here so far apparently). It is derived from their racing tyre in Fornula E, but it would be great to hear from anyone on the Forum who can get them.
 
#3 ·
I went for the Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season in 255/50R20. Could not be happier.

They are very quiet and super smooth. And they have a very low rolling resistance. To my measurements they cut down my consumption with about 2.5kWh for 100 miles compared to the OEM Good Years Eagle F1 SUV. That is a pretty spectacular difference.

They offer good grip. I did not have a chance to test them in proper snow/ice winter conditions, but i expect them to be fine.
 
#4 ·
Hello!

Don't be fooled, 255/50/R20 is a relatively common size for SUVs, light trucks or crossovers.

I would consult with your local specialist tire/rim shop and see what your local supplier can get. There are many options in this size that will fit your car at many price points. I live in Canada, where we supposedly have a narrower market and even here there is a lot to choose from. It only takes a few days to order in a set that you want.

I am not sure what you mean by proven brands but you can do much better than Goodyear Eagles. I would also recommend against anything Pirelli. I've used both Scorpion Zero and Verdes and they are crap from my experience.

Consider Touring, Performance or Extreme tires as a start based on your driving style, where you live and the weather conditions. Other brands like Bridgestone, Michelin, General, Cooper as well as Falken, Toyo, Yokohama, Nitto, Kumho etc make tires in these various 'trim levels' that will fit. ie. Michelin has the Premiere LTX or the Latitude lines.

Balance all of this against your budget and then proceed to BUY THE BEST TIRE YOU CAN AFFORD.
 
#8 ·
Sounds like Pirelli is quite controversial option. To its defense though, high grip and longevity are mutually exclusive as a norm. Goodyear seemingly tried to sit on two chairs, and result is - noise and very average grip.
BTW Contis DWS have same tread life rating (56K) yet excellent reviews for grip, noise and handling. Wondering how they did it. I think I'm getting them.

General, Cooper as well as ... Toyo, ... Nitto, Kumho
No, thanks.
Falken RT series would be interesting to try though.

after 23,000 mi my Goodyear Eagles were down to the wear bars
I'm at 21K, and little above the bars. So pretty much identical

The Tire Rack said that these are the top rated tire of all tires they sell in the z-rated ultra high performance category
I don't even see Z anymore, mainly V-W-Y, although even H would be OK per my view.
TireRack is known for splitting the tires into myriad categories, so that pretty much every decent tire is on top of its own group. But yes, that's where I'm looking to order anyway :LOL:
 
#6 ·
I did a lot of research for tires on my previous Cayenne. Ended up going with pirelli scorpion verde all season. Had them for 6 months before trading the car in. After the first few weeks and they wore in they were perfect. Didn’t get a chance to see how worn they were. On other forums the pirelli scorpion verde get high marks for ride quality, road nose, and handling.
 
#7 ·
Hi DCDrive, just went through this. Here's what I found:

My car is a 2019 HSE with adaptive suspension and had the stock Goodyear Eagles. Almost returned the car several times over the past 2 years because my girlfriend was getting a headache and nausea from the bouncy ride slapping the headrest into her head. We found the most comfortable drive setting was not Comfort, but Dynamic, though the car always felt uncoupled and bouncy.

Fortunately, after 23,000 mi my Goodyear Eagles were down to the wear bars. Looked around for replacements and The Tire Rack had virtually othing available in my stock 245 50 20 size for the Z speed and weight ratings.

Instead, I went with a solution that was suggested somewhere else in this forum, the Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06 Plus tires in the 255 50 ZR20 size. Was a little concerned about rub but install them and have had no problems. Tested full lock in full off-road raised height and full lowered heights and on pitchy, off camber, twisty mountain roads where I live in Sonoma, California.

The car is transformed. The change in driving and ride experience is remarkable. Road noise is substantially reduced, and cabin environment is much quieter. Steering is crisper and more precise at all speeds. Performance in a chicane (the moose test) is dramatically better with these Continentals, The side walls have almost no flex and body roll is significantly reduced. I'm now driving the car in Comfort mode, rather than Dynamic mode because Dynamic mode is almost too responsive with passengers onboard. I'd probably reserve that setting for the track or when I'm driving solo and feeling frisky.

Sadly, it hasn't rained since I put them on so I haven't tested them in the rain or snow but review data shows them to be at the top of the pack.

The Tire Rack said that these are the top rated tire of all tires they sell in the z-rated ultra high performance category. They were cautious about the fit, but these Contis have proven to be the perfect tire for this car. No data yet on wear, but based on all other factors, I highly recommend these tires.

Perhaps the most important factor? My girlfriend now tells me she loves the car... :)
 
#9 ·
To state that "Pirelli's wear quickly" is a bit daft.
I've had many sets over time (and even more non-Pirelli's). Their sportier tires wear quickly, as you should expect. But the Scorpion Verde's for instance on our Discovery lasted over 65000 miles, an all time record.
 
#10 ·
To state that "Pirelli's wear quickly" is a bit daft.
I've had many sets over time (and even more non-Pirelli's). Their sportier tires wear quickly, as you should expect. But the Scorpion Verde's for instance on our Discovery lasted over 65000 miles, an all time record.
How about I say, in my case, Pirelli's wear quickly. I'm simply stating my experience with them. Glad yours is better.
 
#18 ·
Which ones, what size ?
NT 420V in 265/40/R22 106v on a 22" aftermarket wheel. See the pic below. I love how it looks.


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My Volvo had 275/35/R22, which looked cool but the ride was rough to say the least so a 40 sidewall is the absolute limit for me. It would be madness running a 35 sidewall on this car. The Jag came with 255/40/R22 Pirellis on the stock 5069 wheel and I wanted to upgrade to the 265 width with my new package.

In my experience 265/40/R22 is the best balance between grip and sidewall in my opinion for this car. My aftermarket wheel was also lighter than the stock 5069 22" wheel, so the unsprung weight is also lower. Each wheel is noticeably lighter to carry and so the difference in the car is also noticeable... dare I say improved.
 
#12 ·
No, thanks.
Falken RT series would be interesting to try though.

I have a set of RT660 on my 2000 lb NA Miata and they’re awesome — sticks like glue and progressive at the limit. However, they do wear very fast, based on my autox experience. Plus is they are relatively inexpensive compared to comparable UHP summer tires.
 
#34 ·
The 245/50/R20 Eagle Sports have always been at least 1 mph slower than the speedometer. I believe at 75mph (speedometer reading) I often read that I am going between 73 and 74 mph actual speed. I have often wondered if those running 22" rims with the original 255/40/R22 are running the actual speed since they are turning 692 rev/mile compared to my 704 rev/mile. Just curious.
 
#35 ·
It has been my experience that Goodyear tires (any size) seem to cause that mph variance. I changed to same size but a different brand for my Range Rover when the original Goodyear tires wore out. It is now reading spot on. YMMV. Some variance will occur during the life of the tires as they wear down.

Volkswagen once got sued because it was determined that they had improperly programmed their clusters, or their supplier assembled the clusters with indicator needles, to always be 2.5 mph higher than reality. This seemed to be another method to get people to have closer to fuel mileage ratings. People driving 2.5 mph slower than indicated would get better fuel mileage than if the car actually travelled the indicated speed.
 
#36 ·
I've always read that speedometers were designed to err on the side of reading high to avoid accidental speeding tickets. Euro regs specifically mandate that a speedo can't read low, but is within spec if it reads high as long as it isn't more than 10% plus 6 kph ... which sounds like a lot to me. I don't think that there is any reg like this in the US, but our tort system would produce a similar result.
 
#37 ·
There is no federal regulation in the US for non-commercial passenger cars but there is for commercial vehicles. "The speedometer must be accurate to within plus or minus 8 km/hr (5 mph) at a speed of 80 km/hr (50 mph)."

However, Honda was sued due to 6% inaccuracy in its passenger cars cutting short the warranty period by having the cars reach the mileage limit per the odometer before actually covering the mileage limit. Honda had to extend the warranty by 6%.

There may be local (such as state) laws. Florida has a 3 mph variance limit as an example.

Accuracy does matter when it comes to speeding tickets and accident investigations.
 
#40 ·
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However, Honda was sued due to 6% inaccuracy in its passenger cars cutting short the warranty period by having the cars reach the mileage limit per the odometer before actually covering the mileage limit. Honda had to extend the warranty by 6%.
Years ago there was a federal <5mph at 50mph, limit on speedometer error. I had never heard it was only for commercial. I had 2 Honda motorcycles. Both had speedometers that read 5 mph high at 60mph. One of them was 5mph off at all speeds (they glued the needle on wrong and the low peg was at 5mph), The other was also 10 mph off at 120mph. (wrong spring)
 
#44 ·
I just went through replacing my Goodyears after 29,000 miles (2019 HSE). There are very few options available if you want to keep the exact same size. At first, I found some Michelin Cross Countrys at Costco for a very good price, but when I went to have them installed, Costco refused because the weight rating (or whatever it is called) wasn't high enough. Ended up with General Altimax (made by Continental). So far, I am very happy with them--they seem a bit quieter and more responsive than the OEM Goodyears.
 
#45 ·
Costco refused because the weight rating (or whatever it is called) wasn't high enough
As much as it amazes me every time when a vendor thinks he's smarter than you just by following users manual, this time they are rather right. Especially if you consider dynamic loads due to enormous acceleration.
Tirerack would have many options, including multiple performance tires. Altimax is rather touring one, which formally is a step down from Eagle Sport. But if it works for you - (y)
 
#48 ·
Anyone changing there tire size have issues with their dealer? When I had the Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3's put on at the start of winter had the dealer toss the Goodyear Eagles as they were done. In prepping for spring I started looking if there were any other options out there for the 245/50R20, still nothing really besides the Goodyear Eagles and thought I would try the Continental DWS06Plus in the 255/50ZR20. They're only like 1% difference in height but actually match the OEM diameter for the 22inchers which I believe the speedometer is based on. Anyway, the dealer says they can't install any other size apart from what shipped with the car.
 
#49 ·
I would never consider buying tires at an automotive dealer. Perhaps the market in the US is different, but here I expect to pay about half at a tire specialist. And not be stuck with nonsense like "no other size than what was specified".
I installed 255/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion Zero AS, could not be happier. Paid €240 per corner. Grippy, quiet, very low rolling resistance. Zero issue with fitment, config or anything. Only difference is that the speedo is now more accurate and the odo is underreporting about 3% instead of 1%.
 
#53 ·
I've seen it go both ways. For the old Honda Insight, there was no reason to drive anything but the Bridgestones that were specifically designed for the car if you wanted to max your MPG (and why else drive an Insight). For less expensive mass production cars, you can generally do better than whatever the manufacturer slapped on there.

I'm not married to the Eagles, but many alternatives don't meet the weight rating. The Eagles don't excel at anything ... at best they are 'meh' ... but they have held up well given the car's weight and the amount of torque that the dual motors push out.

Tire manufacturers have started designing more dedicated EV tires. I'm sure we'll have more and better alternatives as time passes. Other than the Conti's, I don't know that there is currently anything out there that I'd go with in the 20" size over the Eagles.
 
#60 ·
I am not yet on the market to look for a new set of tires, I only have 40.000km on the odo with 2 set of tires : one for winter and one for 3 other seasons. I am in lve with my winter Nokian Hakka R3, and I know they have release the new Nokian One as a 4 season tires with the same tech (Aramid (Kevlar)-reinforced sidewall that’s designed to resist damage from poor road surfaces and potholes), and provide a free replacement tire under a Pothole Protection warranty, and a 80,000-mile (130,000km) mileage guarantee.
Any comment on those ?
I may give a try next time. A friend of mine has one set, and very happy with them, but not on an iPace.
 
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