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If it could go 200 miles it would have worked without being too much slower. Drive 200 miles, charge for 45-60 minutes. Arrive with ~30%. Leave it on a destination charger for the 5 hours I was there. Drive 200 miles, charge for 45–60 minutes, arrive home with ~25%. Would have added less than 2 hours total, which turns long day a bit longer, but not unreasonably so.
Of course with a more robust DC charging network I could have done the trip, adding close to 4+ hours, doable, but much less palatable. Given the current infrastructure, it just wasn’t even possible.
Nope, read the previous reply. If I could get 200 miles, I could have used the car today , with the current, rather sparse charging network.
Granted, given it’s poor fuel economy, improved infrastructure would make it possible, but not palatable. I didn’t have the luxury of making it a 2 day drive.
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My thoughts on the state of CCS level 3 charging is far behind the Tesla Supercharger network. (US)
This really makes road trip ideas a big challenge.
Electrify America is slowly adding some fast chargers, but has a long way to go.
The majority of other brands eg. ChargePoint have many AC level 2 chargers which is/was good for hybrids or
EVs with smaller batteries.
These AC chargers won't cut it when time is limited.
As you know I-Pace only has a 7 kW charger.
This makes any charging slow.
I think that even the DC fast charger at my local Jaguar dealer is only 24 kW.
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This really makes road trip ideas a big challenge.
Electrify America is slowly adding some fast chargers, but has a long way to go.
The majority of other brands eg. ChargePoint have many AC level 2 chargers which is/was good for hybrids or
EVs with smaller batteries.
These AC chargers won't cut it when time is limited.
As you know I-Pace only has a 7 kW charger.
This makes any charging slow.
I think that even the DC fast charger at my local Jaguar dealer is only 24 kW.
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I'm optimistic that I will go on within-California road trips, including car camping in the desert or on the coast. Won't be doing 600 mile days but a 400 mile day will be just fine, it just adds one to two hours to the drive time. Seems to me that two things are important for your peace of mind: (1) Planning ahead and (2) Being mentally ready for some delay related to charging on the road. I've mapped out potential trips to cool places (camping or not) and they all seem totally doable.
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With an EV, it's location, location, and location. We have multiple vehicles, but in all honesty, an EV with 200 miles of range should not delay any of our trips.
We are in the heart of Southern California. We are 100 miles from San Diego, 160 to Santa Barbara, 45 miles to the beach, 65 miles to snow skiing, and 240 to Las Vegas (with 2 CCS stations on the route).
We stop 1/2 way to Vegas anyhow for a restroom/food break especially if the traffic is bad.
So for our needs ICE, Hybrid, EV doesn't matter as long as 200 miles is doable.
Longer trips are always by jet.
We are in the heart of Southern California. We are 100 miles from San Diego, 160 to Santa Barbara, 45 miles to the beach, 65 miles to snow skiing, and 240 to Las Vegas (with 2 CCS stations on the route).
We stop 1/2 way to Vegas anyhow for a restroom/food break especially if the traffic is bad.
So for our needs ICE, Hybrid, EV doesn't matter as long as 200 miles is doable.
Longer trips are always by jet.
To each his own. But for me, any trip over 150 miles, I'm trading cars with the wife. Road trips are what internal combustion is for!
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For that reason I passed on my I Pace and got the F Pace S . First the leasing price was riduclious . They wanted over 1750.00 and I got the F pace for about half the price. The range on the F Pace is 450 miles and I don't have to worry about charging infrastructure. No one seems to know much about the car and that also scared me...they need to get their act together. Maybe next time.
For that reason I passed on my I Pace and got the F Pace S . First the leasing price was riduclious . They wanted over 1750.00 and I got the F pace for about half the price. The range on the F Pace is 450 miles and I don't have to worry about charging infrastructure. No one seems to know much about the car and that also scared me...they need to get their act together. Maybe next time.
There is no doubt the I Pace is a beautiful car and is perfect for some. But it certainly wasn’t the right choice for me. i was I’ll-prepared for all the sacrifices and compromises that are the norms of driving a BEV. It would be similar to putting a 3 gallon fuel tank on the F Pace and then make you fill up the tank using a turkey baster...
Well, at least it's an automatic turkey baster you can plug into your garage.:laugh:
I don't have much choice now, do I?
So, it will be my red-headed step-child...at least she is a good looking red-headed stepchild...
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Truth: For most folk, the ICE equivalents are going to meet their expectations better. Why? You don't have any positive expectations of an EV, and you are completely used to the negative functional issues with ICE drivetrains. You must drive somewhere to refuel it and you are not able to warm the interior while parked inside a closed garage. Sure you can have a blower vent on your garage and buy gas in 55gal drums for home use, but... meh. And smog checks and oil changes are a necessary evil. And you should not floor your cold ICE engine until it warms up.
But... electromotive drive is addictive. It's disappointing to drive something without EV drive once you get used to having it.
The instant torque is highly addictive. It's like cruising in a naturally aspirated V8 at 4500 rpm at all times, but without the noise or drama. Put the spurs to it and it bolts. It does not disappoint. The zero to sixty number doesn't do an EV justice. If you take two cars with the same 0-60mph time, one is an EV and the other is not, the EV will feast on the dead carcasses of the ICE cars up to 85 mph.
Our Caddy is lighter and more powerful at 11.0 lb per horsepower. In real world street driving, the i-Pace is much quicker even though it's 12.1 lb per hp. It's not even close; the Caddy is bringing a knife to gunfight.
About the leasing? Ugghh... Like the Tesla, the i-Pace is cheaper for us to buy on finance for 5 years than lease it for 10k miles a year for 3 years. That's bizarre and makes no financial sense because the $7500 Fed tax credit goes to the MFR not the customer. WTF? But I've never leased before, so it's just a curiosity for me.
About dealer product knowledge? That has always been a hit and miss issue at all dealers. I've known more about the nuts and bolts of cars/trucks/MCs I buy than the dealers do nearly every time. I start researching months before I buy. It's just in this particular case, the gap was far wider than with any other buying experience. Case in point, they did not know a CCS was available 0.6 miles from their dealer, so had to charge the car at 120vac x 10 amps. I even warned them before the car arrived and showed them a map of where to DCFC the car. The staff was friendly, but NB JLR is an ICE-specific dealer.
I agree with much of this post, but would add that most people do not get addicted to cars. Same as most people don't get addicted to alcohol or cigarettes. A small minority of us are susceptible to car addiction, but even then the addiction may be weak, and it may be satisfied by an ICE car. I owned a very early Bolt, and liked it a lot, but I had no problem going back to my ICE car - though it is now over 20 years old, it is still smooth, peppy, comfortable and quiet, as the Bolt was. What I miss most about the Bolt is the excellent regenerative braking - nothing like that on my antique Lexus!
Electric cars may take over the world after they improve for another generation or three. But we are not there yet, and won't be all that soon.
I have long desired an electric drive and did not even know it. First vehicle was a 1970 Mach I Mustang 4 speed. OK power but the shifting was annoying. Built up the motor and it was very fast for the day but becoming a handful to drive. Loved to use the torque to run the rpm up from idle to cruising speed in a single gear. Always annoyed me that so much energy was wasted on braking. Traded for an econobox for an decade. Economy was great but no real power. Then onto an F150 (still have it) and was a good tool for getting stuff done. Gearing and automatic left a lot to be desired. The swap from 3.55 to 4.10 gearing really helped but was just not there. Then onto a LEAF in 2011 and it was wonderful until the battery degraded way faster than expected. RAV4-EV (early Tesla drive unit) has been a big step up with more range and an excellent battery that holds up extremely well. The electric drive is just magical to me. Charging free at work is icing on the cake. I am anticipating I-Pace will be an absolute dream. But as you say not everyone cares including wife and daughter.
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