Picked up my new I-Pace HSE 11/7

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dhbrown

Discussion Starter · Nov 11, 2018

And it is great!

I placed an order back in July, and expected delivery in late December. I needed to have delivery in 2018 for tax purposes. Then about a month ago, I heard from the dealer that the delivery was delayed until February 2019. I asked to the dealer to let me know if any stock came on or there were any cancellations. About two weeks ago, he offered me an HSE with the following options:

Santorini Black
Light Oyster Leather Interior
Head-Up Display
Configurable Ambient Interior Lighting
Satin Dark Ash Swirl Veneer
Click and Go Integrated Base Unit
Adaptive Dynamics
20" 5 Spoke 'Style 5068' DT Finish
Heated Steering Wheel
Adaptive Surface Response

On the build sheet, it says, "Type of Sale Code - Launch Stock".

I have had the car for four days, and my first impressions are very positive. Frighteningly fast. Build quality as you would expect. I am struggling a bit so far with the UI, but right now I am more interested in driving than setting the accent lighting color.

I am already sold on electric vehicles, and have been happily driving a Chevy Bolt for about a year and a half. That is a great car in its own right, but it is nice to have something more refined in the garage to complement it.

I will post additional impressions as they come in.

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epirali

· #2 · Nov 13, 2018

Thanks two questions:

1) Is CarPlay/Android support enabled or is "future?"

2) What kind of real life range are you getting?

Guy

· #3 · Nov 14, 2018

CarPlay/Android is enabled.

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fedorachef

· #4 · Nov 26, 2018

I picked mine up on 11/11/18. One thing I'm trying to figure out is my range. I had a Tesla Model X 90D. Each time I charged the Tesla I got 265 miles; fairly consistently. With the Jag I was barely getting 200 miles. Took it back to the dealer and they applied a software update then reset the battery. My car then got 279 miles w/ 99% charge. However, on my next charge it went down to 243 or so, then on my next charge down to 238. I'm confused.

I love how customizable the screens are. I've created my own page for the center screen and changed the dashboard view to full map.

epirali

· #5 · Nov 26, 2018

fedorachef said:
I picked mine up on 11/11/18. One thing I'm trying to figure out is my range. I had a Tesla Model X 90D. Each time I charged the Tesla I got 265 miles; fairly consistently. With the Jag I was barely getting 200 miles. Took it back to the dealer and they applied a software update then reset the battery. My car then got 279 miles w/ 99% charge. However, on my next charge it went down to 243 or so, then on my next charge down to 238. I'm confused.

When the battery data is reset the historical and driving info is erased and the range guesstimating algorithm reverts to high numbers. This tends to happen with all BEVs. Over time as you drive the range will “settle” as you are seeing. This change is rapid initially.

Different cars use different amounts of hysteresis on the range guesstimate. We used to call the early Leaf range display the guess-o-meter as it would vary greatly and not be very accurate. Tesla creates more of an impression of stability, if you actually tracked miles driven and charge left you may notice more variability by terrain and driving style.

Jaguar may revise their range guess algorithm over time also. For now I’d say try tracking miles driven after full charge and compare to remaining battery percent to get a better sense for yourself. Keep in mind the first and last few percent of battery don’t behave very linearly.

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Dantrium

· #6 · Nov 26, 2018

fedorachef said:
I picked mine up on 11/11/18. One thing I'm trying to figure out is my range. I had a Tesla Model X 90D. Each time I charged the Tesla I got 265 miles; fairly consistently. With the Jag I was barely getting 200 miles. Took it back to the dealer and they applied a software update then reset the battery. My car then got 279 miles w/ 99% charge. However, on my next charge it went down to 243 or so, then on my next charge down to 238. I'm confused.

I love how customizable the screens are. I've created my own page for the center screen and changed the dashboard view to full map.

I assume when you say the range is going down, you actually just mean what the car is guessing the range will be is going down, not the actual range you are getting.

Maybe a better way is to ask what your average consumption is. You can share these screenshots from your car or the numbers from your 'journeys' on your phone app.

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epirali

· #7 · Nov 26, 2018

Dantrium said:
I assume when you say the range is going down, you actually just mean what the car is guessing the range will be is going down, not the actual range you are getting.

Maybe a better way is to ask what your average consumption is. You can share these screenshots from your car or the numbers from your 'journeys' on your phone app.

I am curious have you been driving your I Pace more and if you have what is your long term average data now? Is that what the screen shot you posted is, the long term average? Because that would imply you can get around 170 miles total range from a full charge.

Dantrium

· #8 · Nov 26, 2018

Currently have 1107 miles on the car. In the attached you will see Trip A is from the time I picked the car up. Trip B was I reset everything to factory reset on 19 Nov 18. The first ~600+ miles was all Interstate, Eco mode, cruise set at 65mph, climate set at 67 degrees, smart mode. The next 400 miles is running around home, probably 60/40 highway/in town driving. Not a lot of difference between the two, about 50kWh/100 miles, so theoretically speaking I should be able to cover about 168 miles if I was to go from 100% to 0%. Practically speaking that is not realistic. For instance this morning when I got in the the car at 0715 it showed charged to 94% (parked at 100% 6.5 hours earlier) with an estimated range of 128 miles. It was parked outside, not plugged in with the departure time set for 0700. I assume the preconditioning is what used 6% of the battery. If I would have driven for any length of time this morning my average consumption would have really taken a beating.

One thing I noticed the other day is if I place the climate system in smart mode and then select ‘auto’ it runs the AC and really increases consumption.

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epirali

· #9 · Nov 26, 2018

Thanks some of the numbers on the displays are confusing. For example on Trip B the number of miles shown and the KWHrs of battery don't make sense (not sure what that is).

Also if its cold where you are right now (not sure) and you don't plug the car in it will not pre-condition the battery. Which means not only is the 6% lost from cabin heating while not plugged in the battery won't be in optimal temperature and charge. I remember you said you did try pre-conditioning for departure when plugged in but didn't see a difference, not sure if that was with an L1 charger (which would not pre-condition the battery just the cabin).

Did you ever try an L2 charger pre-condition for departure set a few hours in advance to see if it helped?

Dantrium

· #10 · Nov 26, 2018

epirali said:
Thanks some of the numbers on the displays are confusing. For example on Trip B the number of miles shown and the KWHrs of battery don't make sense (not sure what that is).

Also if its cold where you are right now (not sure) and you don't plug the car in it will not pre-condition the battery. Which means not only is the 6% lost from cabin heating while not plugged in the battery won't be in optimal temperature and charge. I remember you said you did try pre-conditioning for departure when plugged in but didn't see a difference, not sure if that was with an L1 charger (which would not pre-condition the battery just the cabin).

Did you ever try an L2 charger pre-condition for departure set a few hours in advance to see if it helped?

Yes it is a bit chilly today (9 F). The car was plugged in to a L2 (JuiceBox 40A), in a heated garage (~65 F) m until ~midnight, with the departure time set for midnight. I drove the 2 miles to work. It was not plugged from them until I left at 0715 (with a departure time set for 0700). I did not know the car did not precondition if not plugged in...I wonder why it is an option if it doesn’t work???

What numbers on Trip B are confusing?

epirali

· #11 · Nov 26, 2018

Usually the battery pre conditioning will not occur if no L2 charger connected, the cabin pre conditioning will occur. If car was outside for 7 hours the battery would have dropped in temperature (It does have mass and heat momentum but that is a long time).

So theoretically if it was plugged in the car may have also kicked in battery pre conditioning to raise its temperature and improve range. It is a little confusing because for sone reasons the two different pre conditionings are combined. Even BMW initially didn’t make it clear that if departure time left less than three hours the battery preconditioning would not start.

Dantrium

· #12 · Nov 26, 2018

epirali said:
Usually the battery pre conditioning will not occur if no L2 charger connected, the cabin pre conditioning will occur. If car was outside for 7 hours the battery would have dropped in temperature (It does have mass and heat momentum but that is a long time).

So theoretically if it was plugged in the car may have also kicked in battery pre conditioning to raise its temperature and improve range. It is a little confusing because for sone reasons the two different pre conditionings are combined. Even BMW initially didn’t make it clear that if departure time left less than three hours the battery preconditioning would not start.

It doesn’t make any sense that you can set preconditioning if it is not going to work...

epirali

· #13 · Nov 26, 2018

Dantrium said:
It doesn’t make any sense that you can set preconditioning if it is not going to work...

I understand what you are saying and I agree. They should separate the two ideas and present them clearly, and maybe show one disabled if not plugged in. Pre-condition using the battery power itself may draw more power than it recovers so it may be detrimental. So functionally it makes sense, but from a user experience it is confusing.

fedorachef

· #14 · Nov 28, 2018

Dantrium said:
I assume when you say the range is going down, you actually just mean what the car is guessing the range will be is going down, not the actual range you are getting.

Maybe a better way is to ask what your average consumption is. You can share these screenshots from your car or the numbers from your 'journeys' on your phone app.

Ok, thanks for the tip. The specialist guy that came out to my home to go over the bells & whistles on my car actually suggested not using Journeys because he saw no point to it so its been disabled. I just enabled it on the phone app. He really didn't seem to know much about the car. Also, yes, I was referring to what range the car shows. I haven't tracked the actual range I'm getting which I'll start doing.

dhbrown

Discussion Starter · #15 · Nov 28, 2018

Apple CarPlay is supported.

Dantrium

· #16 · Nov 28, 2018

fedorachef said:
Dantrium said:

I assume when you say the range is going down, you actually just mean what the car is guessing the range will be is going down, not the actual range you are getting.

Maybe a better way is to ask what your average consumption is. You can share these screenshots from your car or the numbers from your 'journeys' on your phone app.

Click to expand...

Ok, thanks for the tip. The specialist guy that came out to my home to go over the bells & whistles on my car actually suggested not using Journeys because he saw no point to it so its been disabled. I just enabled it on the phone app. He really didn't seem to know much about the car. Also, yes, I was referring to what range the car shows. I haven't tracked the actual range I'm getting which I'll start doing.

How many miles do you have on the car? This screen will tell you what your average fuel mileage is for the current trip and if you tap ‘History’ in the upper right it will show the average of Trip A, Trip B, the 3 previous trips as well as your best mileage. It is reported in kWh/100 miles. To have a range of 240 miles, you would need to be averaging about 35.3 kWh/100 miles.

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dhbrown

Discussion Starter · #17 · Nov 28, 2018

epirali said:
Thanks two questions:

1) Is CarPlay/Android support enabled or is "future?"

2) What kind of real life range are you getting?

RE: #1, Yes, CarPlay is enabled and I do use it. Android Auto is an available option, but I have no way to test.

RE: #2, I am getting a reported 220-230 miles range with a mix of around town and (mostly) legal speed highway driving. As with all EVs, range really suffers at high speeds. This is in mild San Francisco weather, with no A/C or heat most of the time. But I haven't run it much under 50% charge, so I don't know how accurate that estimate is.

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dhbrown

Discussion Starter · #18 · Nov 29, 2018

More on:

epirali said:
2) What kind of real life range are you getting?

Currently on a full charge showing a range of 236 miles. Recent trip back from the airport (mostly freeway) showed consumption at 34.9kWH/100miles.

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epirali

· #19 · Nov 29, 2018

dhbrown said:
More on:
Currently on a full charge showing a range of 236 miles. Recent trip back from the airport (mostly freeway) showed consumption at 34.9kWH/100miles.

Thanks that pretty much lines up with the rates/expected range for those kind of conditions.

fedorachef

· #20 · Nov 29, 2018 (Edited)

Dantrium said:
fedorachef said:

Dantrium said:

I assume when you say the range is going down, you actually just mean what the car is guessing the range will be is going down, not the actual range you are getting.

Maybe a better way is to ask what your average consumption is. You can share these screenshots from your car or the numbers from your 'journeys' on your phone app.

Click to expand...

Ok, thanks for the tip. The specialist guy that came out to my home to go over the bells & whistles on my car actually suggested not using Journeys because he saw no point to it so its been disabled. I just enabled it on the phone app. He really didn't seem to know much about the car. Also, yes, I was referring to what range the car shows. I haven't tracked the actual range I'm getting which I'll start doing.

Click to expand...

How many miles do you have on the car? This screen will tell you what your average fuel mileage is for the current trip and if you tap ‘History’ in the upper right it will show the average of Trip A, Trip B, the 3 previous trips as well as your best mileage. It is reported in kWh/100 miles. To have a range of 240 miles, you would need to be averaging about 35.3 kWh/100 miles.

Last two days the 100% displayed range has been 226. Here's my screens...

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