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Check out Doug Demuro's latest review of MB new A-Class in the US. It's a car with a sticker price starting in the low to mid-30s and just look at how amazing the infotainment system is at around 8 minutes in.

 

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You don't like how configurable and responsive that system is? Again, that's not even the full-blown system. It's what they are offering in their lowest priced vehicle!
 

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I do like the responsiveness and the fact that it's entry-level, but to me it's offset by the overall design. I don't like the single screen for example mostly because it forces the position of the touchscreen into a less ergonomic place and orientation. I also wonder how useful that trackpad is. It's not like we're operating a PC; the overall percentage use of that trackpad probably doesn't justify the amount of central space it takes. I also like the back button, that's neat. Anyway, I think you'd really only know whether it's a good system if you use it first hand. I'm now sufficiently used to the iPace's system that I like it ... simply because I know how to use it. (Don't get me wrong, it could be better).
 

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I agree. I don't care for the one giant screen. I more mean I like the actual graphic interface - the transitions, the responsiveness, the usability - the voice command/Siri like feature, etc.
 

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For what it’s with JLR had the same feedback from their customers when the F-Pace was released. The next model year is when they came out with the system that is in the I-Pace. Good thing is the older F-Pace’s received the update as well. So hopefully they take note this time around and improve the system through updates. Myself, I can’t complain accept I have to admit I do like the customization and features that Tesla has.
 

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Gods, people. Just drive the damned car! It's a pleasure to drive, an absolute thrill. Luxurious and fast with good handling. I mean, isn't that what a car is for?
 

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Gods, people. Just drive the damned car! It's a pleasure to drive, an absolute thrill. Luxurious and fast with good handling. I mean, isn't that what a car is for?
yes, I agree! Unless you are a fanatical fanboy who is orgasmic at the mere thought of the car, you should not post any opinions about the car you spent $90k on.
 

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haha. I do enjoy driving the car. I purposely own my 911 Turbo with no options so that when I want to really drive something analog, I can. My '74 Alfa is even more analog for those days.

The point, that Dantrium, was sort of making, is that for 90k we should expect things to work better.

Moreover, this is sort of a halo car for Jaguar. Why not make everything just a bit more interesting? Why not use more of the range rover pieces?

My point is that if MB can roll out a really nice looking system on their lease expensive car, Jaguar definitely should have stepped it up a bit more with a halo car.
 

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The ergo of the display locations, physical controls, and sizes is near perfect for me on the I-Pace.
In my normal seating position:
The dash cluster is inside the steering wheel completely and fills it.
The center display is just to the right of my hand.
The Climate display is perfectly sized and located.
The knobs and buttons are now second nature.
The HUD could adjust a bit lower for me. I like it right above the edge of the bonnet so it's completely out of my cone of vision. I think perhaps the hood being short causes this.
The left thumb wheel roller need more feedback for use while driving.

The day I buy a FWD i4 MB, somebody please shoot me. To give you a comparison, the 2019 Camaro I4 RWD at $31k (1LE trim): Pulls 1.00g g's laterally on OEM rubber, 0-60mph in 5.1 sec, 1/4 mile traps over 100 mph, and stops from 70 in 148 feet. And you can option it up into Ferrari territory as far as track ability and top speed goes with 650 HP V8 thrust.

The Benz has a lot of wizbang stuff, but it seems like an iPhone. 80% of the options are not used or just plan irritating. I don't think it even has a HUD?
 

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That's not really the point McRat, the point is that this is just the most BASIC Mercedes and look how nice the system looks. Once you get to one that matches the price of the IPace it will most likely have a ton more.

The driving dynamics of the IPace are pretty special. I really do enjoy driving it. In dynamic it will rip your face off in the corners. I'm taking clover on-ramps at similar speeds to my 911 Turbo. I'm just continuously frustrated by the infotainment system. I guess the best way to describe it is similar to the Aston Martin Mercedes Benz partnership. Aston Martin has a contract to receive the last gen of MB infotainment systems to put in their cars. In other words, every time MB comes out with a new system, Aston Martin gets the right to use the old system.

Our infotainment system feels like the last gen system and not the most current system. It's just not that polished.

As for ergonomics - I'm on the short side at 5'4. The touch screen is always a bit far for me unless I sit super close to the steering wheel at which point when I look up I see headliner and not the glass roof. To sit a bit farther back, the steering wheel doesn't really move far enough back. This is another argument toward electric tilt as it can be hard to find a decent spot and then have to basically use my foot to push the lock button in to keep it.

Keep in mind this is my first personal car with a touch screen. My wife's Volvo is all touch but the screen is in a much better position - more into the cabin and easier to reach.
 

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That's not really the point McRat, the point is that this is just the most BASIC Mercedes and look how nice the system looks. Once you get to one that matches the price of the IPace it will most likely have a ton more.

The driving dynamics of the IPace are pretty special. I really do enjoy driving it. In dynamic it will rip your face off in the corners. I'm taking clover on-ramps at similar speeds to my 911 Turbo. I'm just continuously frustrated by the infotainment system. I guess the best way to describe it is similar to the Aston Martin Mercedes Benz partnership. Aston Martin has a contract to receive the last gen of MB infotainment systems to put in their cars. In other words, every time MB comes out with a new system, Aston Martin gets the right to use the old system.

Our infotainment system feels like the last gen system and not the most current system. It's just not that polished.

As for ergonomics - I'm on the short side at 5'4. The touch screen is always a bit far for me unless I sit super close to the steering wheel at which point when I look up I see headliner and not the glass roof. To sit a bit farther back, the steering wheel doesn't really move far enough back. This is another argument toward electric tilt as it can be hard to find a decent spot and then have to basically use my foot to push the lock button in to keep it.

Keep in mind this is my first personal car with a touch screen. My wife's Volvo is all touch but the screen is in a much better position - more into the cabin and easier to reach.
Yeah, I'm 6'1" with a tall torso. The first thing that surprised me was the amount of helmet clearance in the car. It doesn't look very tall when you stand next to it. I barely fit in most sport cars without leaning the seat back at an uncomfortable angle. So my ergo is going to be different.

In normal driving, I'm very seldom using any of the LCD displays. I set the EV mode I want and pull up the destination and drive. I do miss OnStar's built in phone, Nav, and Concierge services.
The greatest luxury in an Infotainment system is talking to a live human who knows where you are, who you are, where you've gone, and can do special requests. It's like having a navigator in the passenger seat.
 

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Take away the touchscreens. Drop the nav. Kill the android auto. Just give me buttons and knobs. I think this would make a lot of people happier.



In any car, there will be annoyances. When all the annoyances are in the entertainment system, my worries are almost zero. I want all the attention paid to driving and comfort, not gizmos.
 

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Touch screens are not as controllable when moving nor as quickly accessed when in nested tree structure as knobs and buttons. And they usually require you to take your eyes off the road.
This is why touch screen desktops and notebooks never took over. It was faster to type (buttons), second fastest is mouse (1" of movement can cover 12" screen), and last is touch screen.
The fastest people on computers don't even use the mouse or GUI's. The mouse is far slower than 2 hands on 101 buttons with virtually an infinite amount of non-nested commands instantly available.

Our touch screens and LCD displays are nested trees starting from the 5 base screens. Remember when a 1 sec push would reset your trip meter? A knob would increase the bass of the stereo?
Even voice is much slower than knobs.

You want a real treat? Mount a notebook in the car to do datalogging, and try to use the touchpad to control it. You HAVE to remember all the hot keys or you are going to crash.
 

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Sorry guys. I was driving with a friend the other day in his BMW X3 M4 (nice car, to be sure) but the number of freaking buttons in that cockpit was just idiotic. Now don't get me wrong, I don't like the Tablet-on-wheels (M3) either. The iPace's cockpit hits a great middle ground IMO. >:)
 
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