[Pollo de muerte]

New member here. Not an owner yet; still kicking tires.

I've been driving Chevy Volts for a while and I'm ready to take off the training wheels and go full EV. I'm comparing the I-Pace to the Model S. I think that Chevy does an excellent job with their EV tech (great track record on battery management/longevity and good miles/kWh), but I'm looking for a better interior and my Volt and the current Bolts are not great in this regard.

Similarly, I'm not a fan of the interior aesthetic in the Teslas. I'm probably only considering that car for access to the SuperCharger network.

I've made my peace with the JLR infotainment software as my wife drives a late model Range Rover. With recent updates, it's laggy but mostly stable and we use CarPlay anyway. I have enough experience with EVs that a flaky GOM won't throw me off. That seems to remove two of the common complaints regarding the I-Pace.

I'm starting to see great deals on 2019 demo cars that still have the tax credit, so I'm getting close to pulling the trigger.

Just wanted to introduce myself since I've been lurking for a while.

 

[Ken]

Good luck Pollo, I'm sure you'll love the I-Pace if that's the route you decide to go. I went from a Tesla MS to the I-Pace and never looked back.

In making the decision, you should consider how much long distance driving you'll actually be doing to make the SuperCharger network something that should be seriously considered in the decision making process. Personally I rarely used it and rarely took the MS on long drives. I actually used a SC relatively close to my house since I had free Supercharging. The free supercharging is the part of the deal I miss, but other than that I'm loving the Jag.

Here's a post I made comparing my Model S to my I-Pace:

A week into ownership, how does the I-Pace compare with...

After a week of driving the I-Pace, here are some of my thoughts, for whatever their worth, on these two cars: Build quality- The Tesla build quality is legend, just not in a good way. Rattles, squeaks & suspension noise ruin what is an otherwise quiet cabin. Some noises are impossible to...

www.i-paceforum.com

 

[Qtown charger]

New member here. Not an owner yet; still kicking tires.

I've been driving Chevy Volts for a while and I'm ready to take off the training wheels and go full EV. I'm comparing the I-Pace to the Model S. I think that Chevy does an excellent job with their EV tech (great track record on battery management/longevity and good miles/kWh), but I'm looking for a better interior and my Volt and the current Bolts are not great in this regard.

Similarly, I'm not a fan of the interior aesthetic in the Teslas. I'm probably only considering that car for access to the SuperCharger network.

I've made my peace with the JLR infotainment software as my wife drives a late model Range Rover. With recent updates, it's laggy but mostly stable and we use CarPlay anyway. I have enough experience with EVs that a flaky GOM won't throw me off. That seems to remove two of the common complaints regarding the I-Pace.

I'm starting to see great deals on 2019 demo cars that still have the tax credit, so I'm getting close to pulling the trigger.

Just wanted to introduce myself since I've been lurking for a while.

Welcome. Your have summarized why to buy an I-Pace quite nicely - an EV with a touch of class and refinement. From my perspective the current flock of EV's are similar regarding basic tech. The differentiators are the design, refinement, and optional toys/tech.

The stock of 2019 may be starting to dwindle, so jump right in and join us.

 

[Gelbkreutz]

Like you, I came to the I-PACE from a Volt. Tesla has the I-PACE and everyone else beat when it comes to self driving and are very good re efficiency. Since I don't go on long trips often and live in an urban setting where Autopilot still doesn't work, I can't say I care about self driving. And actually, on wealth-striped highways, the I-PACE does a fine job, I think.
Re efficiency, I have solar PV and even if I didn't, the cost of I-PACE fuel is nothing.
I didn't go w Tesla because I wanted a car that was well built, and that I could love the looks of. The Tesla is a nice car. But I can't work up a passion.
We also have a Chevy bolt. That is a great car.

 

[Pollo de muerte]

Thanks for the replies.

RE: Teslas Autopilot ... I'm not a fan and think that the current implementation is gross corporate negligence. I don't care what disclaimers they use, when you call it "Autopilot", the consumer is going to use it in a manner consistent with the name.

I understand that the emitters are ugly, but at minimum until they implement LIDAR to pick up stationary objects in the road, Autopilot is a danger to Tesla drivers and those who share the road with them.

Obviously one is not required to purchase or use Autopilot if they drive a Tesla, but it bugs me to the point that I'm not sure I want to support a company that acts this way. Not a huge deal, just some background noise that pulls me away from the Model S ... like being lumped in with the minority of Tesla owners who are insufferable.

 

[Ken]

Thanks for the replies.

RE: Teslas Autopilot ... I'm not a fan and think that the current implementation is gross corporate negligence. I don't care what disclaimers they use, when you call it "Autopilot", the consumer is going to use it in a manner consistent with the name.

I understand that the emitters are ugly, but at minimum until they implement LIDAR to pick up stationary objects in the road, Autopilot is a danger to Tesla drivers and those who share the road with them.

Obviously one is not required to purchase or use Autopilot if they drive a Tesla, but it bugs me to the point that I'm not sure I want to support a company that acts this way. Not a huge deal, just some background noise that pulls me away from the Model S ... like being lumped in with the minority of Tesla owners who are insufferable.

I hear ya and tend to agree, yet Tesla’s statistics point to a lessening of accidents with Autopilot. I rarely used it on my MS, as there were several instances where I didn’t like the way it behaved. On more than one occasion it seemed to want to get too friendly with guardrails over small overpasses.

So I would tend to use it in safe areas as a ‘show off’ to people that had never ridden in a Tesla.

 

[Pollo de muerte]

I don't want to turn this into a Tesla bashing thread because I really do like many things about the MS, but I think those statistics have been called into question:

In 2017, the feds said Tesla Autopilot cut crashes 40%—that was bogus

Small firm gets Tesla crash data after 2-year legal battle with NHTSA, finds flawed study.

arstechnica.com

Tesla's Favorite Autopilot Safety Statistic Doesn't Hold Up

Elon Musk's automaker says the semi-autonomous feature cuts crashes by 40 percent, but a closer look at the math reveals some major caveats.

www.wired.com

 

[gtquan]

I went with a 2020 Ipace last year. I thought about the MS but it was more expensive, bigger and fit/finish not up to what the cat cost. My use scenario is also commuting 75 km a day. No long trips. The car has been great so far. Tesla's autopilot/tech and charging weren't important given my use. Ipace is more unique. I was concerned about reliability of Jag and a new BEV but after checking out other forums I'm not sure its bettern or worse than Tesla/Audi...I also liked the idea of a dealer network I could go to and promise of loaners when needed. Battery efficiency not as good but actually close to the S90d if the Tesla forums are correct. No regrets here.

 

[gtquan]

One thing I've noticed about the Jag tech is there is little or zero phantom drain of the battery after days/wks sitting idle. Something Tesla had been having issues with - sorry cant help making comparisons. All the Ipace bashing 🤥 on Tesla forums or InsideEV, Electrek got to me.

 

[SlyFoxZB]

New member here. Not an owner yet; still kicking tires.

I've been driving Chevy Volts for a while and I'm ready to take off the training wheels and go full EV. I'm comparing the I-Pace to the Model S. I think that Chevy does an excellent job with their EV tech (great track record on battery management/longevity and good miles/kWh), but I'm looking for a better interior and my Volt and the current Bolts are not great in this regard.

Similarly, I'm not a fan of the interior aesthetic in the Teslas. I'm probably only considering that car for access to the SuperCharger network.

I've made my peace with the JLR infotainment software as my wife drives a late model Range Rover. With recent updates, it's laggy but mostly stable and we use CarPlay anyway. I have enough experience with EVs that a flaky GOM won't throw me off. That seems to remove two of the common complaints regarding the I-Pace.

I'm starting to see great deals on 2019 demo cars that still have the tax credit, so I'm getting close to pulling the trigger.

Just wanted to introduce myself since I've been lurking for a while.

I was in the same boat. I loved my Volt. I just needed a bigger vehicle and wanted to pull the trigger on all electric. The model Y was too simple inside for me and the X was out of my price range, even used. I got a 2019 HSE left on the lot for about 40% off MSRP when you include the tax credit. I love this car now. I love driving it around, and am glad I got it. I don't really feel an issue with the infotainment. However, or F150 is just as slow. I call it "deliberate."

Good luck in your search.

 

[Pollo de muerte]

Looked at a 2019 first edition (photon red with oyster interior). They are starting out at $49,900. If I can get them down a bit, I think I'll pull the trigger. It was at an Audi dealership and I asked them to take it to the Jag dealer around the corner for a battery test.

 

[Photon2.0eV]

This might be a sign! I have a 2019 FE Photon Red/Oyster and a 2019 Range Rover Velar, however do not have a Chevy Volt. If your Velar is Aruba Metallic, buy the I-Pace for sure.

 

[Pollo de muerte]

Close, "Posh" is Silicon Silver metalic. Assuming the Jag's battery gets a decent test (I had them charge it up and run the reset procedure on the GOM and it came back at 260 miles range) and they give me reasonable value on my Volt for a trade in, then I think we're set.

 

[Pollo de muerte]

Quick question about the used I Pace that I'm considering. TOPIX lists the following Outstanding Campaigns:

• I998 -

When I click on it, I get a popup that states: This campaign does not refer to any documents.

Any ideas?

TIA for any input.

 

[Ayepace]

IIRC, that relates to them triggering servicing alerts and it came out way too early for me and others. It seems to come out for all Jaguars and actually does mean it is near the estimated time for servicing ICE vehicles that have a shorter than 21K mile service interval.

 

[Pollo de muerte]

It's done. I purchased a used Photon Red 2019 HSE FE:

 

[Photon2.0eV]

Looks Great & Welcome to Club Photon!!

 

[CurtSprings2]

Congratulations. That's my favorite color!

 

[Pollo de muerte]

Thanks. Just a few hiccups so far. Since I have experience with my wife's Velar, I was able to get the dash and the infotainment settings set up easily and I took the car on a nice drive.

I received two keys but only one works. The inoperable key has a sticker on the back showing a letter followed by five numbers. My guess is that the original owner lost a key and the dealer gave me a blank without programming it.

I'm also stuck charging at level 1 for the moment. The charger that comes with the Volt was easily hackable to operate as a level two charger with an adapter plug. I was hoping to use that on the I Pace, but it is tripping my 30 amp breaker and I don't see a way to set the car to charge at a lower level. I don't foresee the need to charge faster than 24 amps, so I'll just get a JuiceBox or some other charger that can be programmed.

Finally, the dealer didn't clear out the previous owner for InControl, so I don't have access to the InControl website or the app.

Nothing major, just a few annoyances. Very excited about the car!

 

[sciencegeek]

Nice! Good to hear that things are mostly ok.

I would open a ticket with JLR about the InControl access. I can still see my old I-Pace (though it has not yet been sold), it seems that the dealers don't have SOP for clearing out the old owners as soon as the car is sold back.

By the way, did you check whether this was a lemon buyback? My old I-Pace was sold at auction, in my case it went to a Jaguar dealer; carfax accurately states that it was a lemon buyback. If yours was, I'd try to get some sort of service record so that you know what to look out for. It's quite possible that it was just the "black screen" software issue and nothing actually serious. And even if it was something serious, it's probable that they fixed it as in my case. Did they give you a warranty for it?