[sciencegeek]

This one is definitely worth watching and paying attention to reporting details.

Range, driving style, and charging are the obvious topics where we learn something from his road trip.

At the very end, he gives his overall impression, which seems totally fair. Minus: consumption, infotainment. Plus: Excellent interior suited for road trips, lux fit and finish.

If you combine this assessment with what he and others have posted about performance and road manners, it totally checks out. I'm getting more stoked about the iPace every day!

 

[I-PaceDave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWhFpO2NS4w

This one is definitely worth watching and paying attention to reporting details.

Range, driving style, and charging are the obvious topics where we learn something from his road trip.

At the very end, he gives his overall impression, which seems totally fair. Minus: consumption, infotainment. Plus: Excellent interior suited for road trips, lux fit and finish.

If you combine this assessment with what he and others have posted about performance and road manners, it totally checks out. I'm getting more stoked about the iPace every day!

Obviously a great car, but not perfect, range a bit of a disappointment, DC charging is better then I expected... I cannot wait to get mine...

 

[sflgator]

Obviously a great car, but not perfect, range a bit of a disappointment, DC charging is better then I expected... I cannot wait to get mine...

Agreed BUT I know it's very possible that JLR could do a future OTA update and/or a paid option for I-Pace drivers to increase the I-Pace's range, especially if real-world driving demonstrates that consumers are not getting the advertised 200-240mi. range. Not saying they will for sure but I think it's certainly possible. Although Tesla does things differently and their battery packs & software are different, Tesla did in fact extend their cars' ranges with a simply OTA update for Teslas in the NC & SC areas during Hurricane Florence. Think of it as a software "tune." :wink2:

 

[I-PaceDave]

Agreed BUT I know it's very possible that JLR could do a future OTA update and/or a paid option for I-Pace drivers to increase the I-Pace's range, especially if real-world driving demonstrates that consumers are not getting the advertised 200-240mi. range. Not saying they will for sure but I think it's certainly possible. Although Tesla does things differently and their battery packs & software are different, Tesla did in fact extend their cars' ranges with a simply OTA update for Teslas in the NC & SC areas during Hurricane Florence. Think of it as a software "tune." :wink2:

As for extending range, Tesla sold 60kWh cars that had 75 kWh batteries installed (software limited to 60), they just opened the limit for those customers to use all 75 kWh of their battery. I would not count on a dramatic increase in range for the I-Pace as aerodynamics, and mass reduction will not be improved OTA. Range sounds like it is currently very near the same as the 90 kWh Model X, which is acceptable for me. I am looking forward to Bjorn Nyland doing more testing next week on the I-Pace as he is giving us real information from a very experienced EV guy. Looking forward to see the charging speed when Jaguar opens the CCS2 protocol. With the preliminary data I-Pace can already charge faster then a Tesla on a 50 kW charger, but with a larger charger I-Pace was 3 minutes slower from 10-80% then a 90 kWh Tesla on a Supercharger... I am more excited about charging at this point.

 

[sflgator]

As for extending range, Tesla sold 60kWh cars that had 75 kWh batteries installed (software limited to 60), they just opened the limit for those customers to use all 75 kWh of their battery. I would not count on a dramatic increase in range for the I-Pace as aerodynamics, and mass reduction will not be improved OTA. Range sounds like it is currently very near the same as the 90 kWh Model X, which is acceptable for me. I am looking forward to Bjorn Nyland doing more testing next week on the I-Pace as he is giving us real information from a very experienced EV guy. Looking forward to see the charging speed when Jaguar opens the CCS2 protocol. With the preliminary data I-Pace can already charge faster then a Tesla on a 50 kW charger, but with a larger charger I-Pace was 3 minutes slower from 10-80% then a 90 kWh Tesla on a Supercharger... I am more excited about charging at this point.

According to Nyland's testing, it also sounds like highway cruising in the I-Pace is most efficient between 70-80MPH...which is a good thing in my opinion. I typically do 60-70% of my driving on the highway, driving on cruise control in that speed range, so this would be a very good thing for me. It would be nice if I didn't have to intentionally drive slower on the highway than I usually do specifically because range anxiety. The most I do in any given day is approx 150-170 mi with average being like 70-100 mi so if I'm driving 1 hour 15min to Miami and back in either Comfort OR Dynamic mode (with Brake Regen on High), I'm hoping I won't feel the need to stop on the way home to charge up for 30-45min. I think I'll be okay 90% of the time as long as I start out my day at 90-100% charge...which is my plan. :wink2:

 

[sciencegeek]

Here's the link to the video you might be referring to. NB: he calculated *Time* efficiency for road trips on which you have to spend time charging. It's a little hokey and he's making some simplifying assumptions but overall he has a good point, which is that slower driving takes more time, haha.

The wrinkle is that road trips are not of infinite length. Depending on the distance you want to travel, your driving style may force you to stop for a charge or not stop at all; or stop for two charges vs three charges. Generally you'd want to leave home full and get home empty. So it would be foolish to floor it if your trip is 180 miles, but if the trip is 300 miles and you definitely have to stop for a charge anyway then you can drive a bit more spirited.

 

[I-PaceDave]

Here's the link to the video you might be referring to. NB: he calculated *Time* efficiency for road trips on which you have to spend time charging. It's a little hokey and he's making some simplifying assumptions but overall he has a good point, which is that slower driving takes more time, haha.

The wrinkle is that road trips are not of infinite length. Depending on the distance you want to travel, your driving style may force you to stop for a charge or not stop at all; or stop for two charges vs three charges. Generally you'd want to leave home full and get home empty. So it would be foolish to floor it if your trip is 180 miles, but if the trip is 300 miles and you definitely have to stop for a charge anyway then you can drive a bit more spirited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAbg5BYEWF4

Exactly... To take an EV on a road trip a bit of prior planning is involved to come up with the most time efficient strategy.

 

[sflgator]

Bjorn's I-Pace range test video (but he tested strictly in ECO mode while cruise control set to 56mph)...

 

[sciencegeek]

That test was reasonably reassuring and pretty interesting. He had cruise control on and was not drafting on an open road, plus seat warmer for half the drive, averaging 89 km/h (55.6 mph). He got 232 miles and estimated the useable battery capacity to be 81.5 kWh.

 

[sflgator]

That test was reasonably reassuring and pretty interesting. He had cruise control on and was not drafting on an open road, plus seat warmer for half the drive, averaging 89 km/h (55.6 mph). He got 232 miles and estimated the useable battery capacity to be 81.5 kWh.

Yes, but I would like to know what range one can expect if you just leave it in Dynamic Mode, use Cruise Control, Brake Regen on High, set A/C and Seat A/C (or heat), and average like 75mph-80mph? And I suppose add in another test in Dynamic and/or normal, Comfort Mode with a good mix of highway speeds of 75-80mph and spirited around-town driving in Dynamic Mode? I'm still guessing approx 180-200mi. but it would good to see some real-world tests. I would think most people won't switch to ECO mode unless they have range anxiety and feel like driving in ECO mode would be a better choice.

 

[TotesMagotes]

Yes, but I would like to know what range one can expect if you just leave it in Dynamic Mode, use Cruise Control, Brake Regen on High, set A/C and Seat A/C (or heat), and average like 75mph-80mph? And I suppose add in another test in Dynamic and/or normal, Comfort Mode with a good mix of highway speeds of 75-80mph and spirited around-town driving in Dynamic Mode? I'm still guessing approx 180-200mi. but it would good to see some real-world tests. I would think most people won't switch to ECO mode unless they have range anxiety and feel like driving in ECO mode would be a better choice.

Yeah, I'm never driving in ECO mode unless it's the difference between getting home or being stranded, a circumstance I think is highly unlikely to occur. Last week, I was in the demo car and I switched from ECO to dynamic. The estimated range calculator based on the remaining charge at the time went from 125 miles to 121 miles. So, I'm not sure there's much benefit to not driving this car like it's meant to be driven.

My take away from this series of videos: this car (basically any EV) is a nightmare to take on a road trip. Teslas are marginally more convenient but one of the following is true if you take an EV on an extended road trip: A) you don't have access to an ICE or B) you're a masochist.

 

[Time2Roll]

Is there a Normal mode? Or just Eco and Dynamic?

Can the vehicle be set to start automatic in the preferred mode?

I see eco or normal as the day to day commuting mode for me. Dynamic would be for just out driving or a destination not as routine.

I am OK slowing down a bit and enjoy my travels. Have driven 500+ miles non stop and that is on the verge of masochistic also. Travel can be too much about the destination and we lose the enjoyment of the journey. Otherwise just get to an airport already.

 

[sflgator]

Is there a Normal mode? Or just Eco and Dynamic?

Can the vehicle be set to start automatic in the preferred mode?

I see eco or normal as the day to day commuting mode for me. Dynamic would be for just out driving or a destination not as routine.

I am OK slowing down a bit and enjoy my travels. Have driven 500+ miles non stop and that is on the verge of masochistic also. Travel can be too much about the destination and we lose the enjoyment of the journey. Otherwise just get to an airport already.

Normal driving mode is what JLR calls "Comfort" Mode and yes, you can choose to drive the I-Pace in this mode as well.

 

[Riggald]

Autocar took two I-Paces for a drive - one driven carefully in Eco, and one driven over teh speed limit.

The two figures they got were something like 208 miles and 238 miles.

It's on-line.