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Nice. I've already determined that I CANNOT make it from Phoenix to Vegas without spending a night (EACH *%$#ing WAY!) in Kingman, AZ in my I-Pace.

I'm kinda pissed!
 

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Nice. I've already determined that I CANNOT make it from Phoenix to Vegas without spending a night (EACH *%$#ing WAY!) in Kingman, AZ in my I-Pace.

I'm kinda pissed!
Aw that's a pi$$er. Are there EA stations planned .. so maybe in a year or two you could make it?
 

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wow

i just checked all the major suppliers. nothing in kingman az which would make it possible for you.

vegas - phoenix would seem to be sufficiently important that Chargepoint or EVgo will put a charger into kingman. EA (who lets you see their planned sites) doesn't seem to have anything planned.
 

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Nice. I've already determined that I CANNOT make it from Phoenix to Vegas without spending a night (EACH *%$#ing WAY!) in Kingman, AZ in my I-Pace.

I'm kinda pissed!
Are there any Tesla superchargers from Phoenix to Vegas?
 

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Nice. I've already determined that I CANNOT make it from Phoenix to Vegas without spending a night (EACH *%$#ing WAY!) in Kingman, AZ in my I-Pace.

I'm kinda pissed!
The Western US still doesn't have great coverage. Tesla didn't cover the direct route of PHX/LAS until 3? weeks ago when your posts on Blogs started to appear. But you are incorrect to say it's impossible. It's just a PITA. Up though Flagstaff, or around though Baker, or 4-5 hr in Kingman, or split it into two 2-3 hr stops.

For your needs (not interested in luxury or fireroad ability) I personally would have picked high-range PHEV technology. M-F commuting on pure EV, and weekends are anywhere in North or South America.
 

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I am curious why anyone bought an EV as a Go Anywhere, Do Anything vehicle, when none exist yet.

Get a KTM 790 and actually 'go anywhere'.
Get a motorhome and trailer to 'do anything'.
 

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Nice. I've already determined that I CANNOT make it from Phoenix to Vegas without spending a night (EACH *%$#ing WAY!) in Kingman, AZ in my I-Pace.

I'm kinda pissed!

Ugh. I just checked the EA plan, and they haven't announced anything in a city like Needles yet. Meanwhile Tesla has superchargers at Quartzsite, Needles, Kingman, and Wickenburg. This is one of the reasons we're keeping an older Tesla as our second EV, so that we can still do the (very occasional) road trip while we wait for the non-proprietary (read: CCS) rapid charging infrastructure to build out.


Fortunately the number of CCS stations in North America is increasing at an incredible rate.
 

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I am curious why anyone bought an EV as a Go Anywhere, Do Anything vehicle, when none exist yet.

Get a KTM 790 and actually 'go anywhere'.
Get a motorhome and trailer to 'do anything'.

I drive a lot from the San Gabriel Valley to Phoenix and Vegas.
I wouldnt take my ICE car to AZ because of rock chips, wear and tear
 

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Ugh. I just checked the EA plan, and they haven't announced anything in a city like Needles yet.
Ah yes, Needles. I mean, you get the engine from the blood priest and then Ace uses it to fix the Jeep so you can drive to Vegas.

Yes, published by EA.
 

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No Kingman Charge

There isn’t even a Level 2 charger in Kingman - just 110V wall outlets so you would need to spend two nights there in order to get sufficient charge to reach LV. I40 is well served with DCFC east of Flagstaff but going west there is not a DCFC (there is a non working station in Williams) between Flagstaff and Barstow and you cannot make that in an iPace. US is so far behind Europe in charging infrastructure.
 

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There isn’t even a Level 2 charger in Kingman - just 110V wall outlets so you would need to spend two nights there in order to get sufficient charge to reach LV. I40 is well served with DCFC east of Flagstaff but going west there is not a DCFC (there is a non working station in Williams) between Flagstaff and Barstow and you cannot make that in an iPace. US is so far behind Europe in charging infrastructure.
I was looking at that situation. There is a single J1772 in Kingman, but there are several NEMA 14-50's RV/Hotel locations. I packed a Tesla Model UMC with the 14-50 and other pigtails for my CA/AZ/NV/UT trip. But any 32 amp or bigger EVSE will do.

Yes, Europe and oddly enough the Eastern US have good coverage. The Western US is still spotty.
 

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A single Tesla destination charging location in Kingman ... if you have a TeslaTap that would help but while it says up to 16kW I suspect that the i-Pace will only do 7 kW ... i.e., Level 2.

Edit: map added
 

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Nice. I've already determined that I CANNOT make it from Phoenix to Vegas without spending a night (EACH *%$#ing WAY!) in Kingman, AZ in my I-Pace.

I'm kinda pissed!
Your reason is why I haven't gone electric. I canceled my E-Tron because of this very reason. I told Audi of Scottsdale the car can't get me to Vegas. Electrify America needs a charging station in Kingman for sure. Popping up all around us but not Kingman.
 

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Ah yes, Needles. I mean, you get the engine from the blood priest and then Ace uses it to fix the Jeep so you can drive to Vegas.

Yes, published by EA.
Nobody got this?
 

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Your reason is why I haven't gone electric. I canceled my E-Tron because of this very reason. I told Audi of Scottsdale the car can't get me to Vegas. Electrify America needs a charging station in Kingman for sure. Popping up all around us but not Kingman.
There is a problem that is growing with CCS chargers that is perhaps worse than the actual grid. I've noticed an alarming increase in digital vandalism of Plugshare by Tesla owners and wannabees. They delete stations, they lie about the stations and what they are driving, and they put up editorial anti-CCS, pro-TSLA postings with no info on the chargers.

A great example is to read the posting by a "Tesla Model 3" owner concerning problems with a Chargepoint at Filmore, UT on the 15 fwy on May 30. Model 3's had no CHAdeMO support on May 30. And the total deletion of (and Tesla spamming) of the Blythe CCS is bizarre. You will never know if it works or not.

If I actually needed to travel between Phoenix and LV and could not afford airfare, a rental car, or have a second car, I could do it. It's not impossible, it's just more impractical than other options. My case I'd take a Volt if I was on a budget or our big sedan if in a rush but could not afford a plane, or a truck if I had to move something large or heavy that would not fit on a plane.

With an I-Pace. You can go 250 miles without a problem with 20" tires by speed control, and in theory (according to EPA raw data) 5% further with 18" tires. Top off in Surprise for breakfast and one of the L2's. Pack a TeslaTap (or equivalent) a Tesla UMC with 14-50. and a couple gallons of water per person.

Leave Phoenix charged in the AM. Stop for breakfast in Surprise at one of the many J1772's and top off while eating.

>Phoenix, AZ, USA
36.7 mi
>The Colonnade J1772 (eat)
161 mi
>Kingman Powerhouse EV Charging Station L2 at the EV museum or many other options for L2.
73.1 mi
>Hoover Dam Lodge Hotel & Casino L2/Tesla HPWC's or other options.
30.4 mi
>Las Vegas, NV, USA

Time spent charging depends entirely on how fast you drive. There is a backup plan at each site, and others along the way. You can probably skip Hoover or Colonnade, but you will need to stay longer at Powerhouse.

Assuming you like redundancy, you will stop at all three stops for 1 hour each, adding 24% charge which will bring your 65mph Eco range to just enough range, and never get anywhere close to getting 'stuck'. It will be an 8 hour drive with a safety margin.
 
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