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Blade Runner look: A+

Practical truck grade: F-

I can't believe what I'm looking at.

Good thing the windows can be broken, else it's a death trap. Don't know who thought unbreakable windows was a good idea, but NHTSA might have an issue with it.

I might buy one for a daily driver, but it'll never see real pickup duty. My Sliverado's place in the garage is quite safe. :laugh:

Lotsa pics and video: https://insideevs.com/photo/4527502/check-images-of-the-live-presentation-of-tesla-cybertruck/

I wonder if it'll come with paint. Looks like it'll rust faster than an M3 otherwise.
 

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If you don't want the stainless steel look you can get it vinyl wrapped. No paint.

I would like to see 3 people of Mr. Musk's size sit comfortably in the back seat.

Would he feel comfortable with his head banging the glass roof?

Would it break with his hard head hitting it? :wink2:

Must have been "pre-production" glass in the doors. Should have tested the front windscreen too. That's where I get the most rock hits.
 

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Practical truck grade: F-
So which of these specs/features create the failing grade?

- towing up to 14,000 lbs
- range up to 500 miles
- 6.5' bed
- 3500 lb. payload
- 16" of suspension travel
- steep approach and departure angles
- integrated lockable bed cover
- integrated compressor and 120/240V outlets
- dent-proof body and bed
- ramp integrated with tailgate
- adjustable ride height air suspension
- ...
 

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It’s disingenuous to list towing and range at their max expected values side by side. Range will drop to less than half when towing even a load far less than the max. Given the ubiquity of gas stations and the speed of refilling an ICE, the fact that fuel consumption more than doubles when towing isn’t the end of the world. For an electric truck it’s a much bigger issue.

It doesn’t seem unreasonable to suppose that the base truck towing 7,500 lbs might have a range of under 100 miles.
 

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Was just chatting with the scary black rifle boys about this and it hit me.

This looks like a trash compactor on wheels.
 

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Why Does Stainless Steel Rust?



Does Stainless Steel Rust Over Time?

TYPES OF STAINLESS STEEL CORROSION

There are six common types of stainless steel corrosion:

General
Galvanic
Intergranular
Pitting
Crevice
Stress corrosion cracking

General corrosion is considered the safest form of corrosion as it is predictable, manageable, and often preventable. Localized corrosion, such as pitting and crevice corrosion, are harder to detect due to the smaller surface area affected, but can still have damaging effects. Stress corrosion cracking is also concerning as the cracks may not be detected until the application fails.
 

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Now you've tarnished its reputation even before any have been shipped to Norway. :wink2:

Aluminium/aluminum will oxidize too. It will depend on the environmental factors the vehicle undergoes.
 

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Aluminium/aluminum will oxidize too. It will depend on the environmental factors the vehicle undergoes.
Yes but the beauty of aluminum is that the surface oxide layer protects the bulk material - aluminum cookware just gets old and dingy, but does rust or corrode thru. High chromium stainless should behave in the same way, although I would be concerned regarding the reference to chloride salts accelerating the rusting process
 

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So which of these specs/features create the failing grade?

- towing up to 14,000 lbs
- range up to 500 miles
- 6.5' bed
- 3500 lb. payload
- 16" of suspension travel
- steep approach and departure angles
- integrated lockable bed cover
- integrated compressor and 120/240V outlets
- dent-proof body and bed
- ramp integrated with tailgate
- adjustable ride height air suspension
- ...
As someone who has used pickup trucks extensively up to 5,000 lb cargo or 17,000 lb towing while I was on the racing circuit, I do question how effective an EV pickup will be when used for heavy loads. Even with a custom tuned diesel, I lost up to 66% of my range. My 720 mile unladen range fell to ~250 miles. And some grades, like the road up through Vail on the way to Denver, were incredibly thirsty, and the ability to cool the powertrain limited my output. I would sustain power at ~225 kW (300 rwhp out of 502 rwhp peak) on highway grades by watching the pyro.

It will be interesting, and I would not exclude the Tesla or any other EV truck for my next truck purchase, but I no longer tow heavy. Note that the most powerful towing rigs are diesel now, with up to 445 rated HP. They should be able to sustain 350 rwhp with the newer powertrains.
 
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