[sgtpeper]

Just need to vent to my fellow I-Pace owners...

I like the car quite a bit but I'm definitely second guessing my purchase at the moment.

Navigation through the car is horrible. I've been using Car Play more now, but even that today took forever to launch, then crashed the stereo and native map screen on the gauge cluster. Then Car Play became non-responsive - even after I unplugged the whole system was a mess.

The load times are obnoxious on this car. I would take slightly more battery use when parked for a system that was ready to go when I hopped in.

Why we don't have wireless Car Play is also beyond me.

The next irritation is probably my own fault - the 22" wheels... They look great... They're pretty rough on the road though..

As I've said before, I'm coming from a '16 X5 Diesel. In that I only had to fill up every ~400 miles or. In the I-Pace, with 500 miles on it, I've had to charge 3-4 times as I knew even with 50% left, I would most likely need more due to the loss of charge in the colder weather. While this just means plugging in at home, I actually think the cost to "fuel" the I-Pace might be MORE than my diesel X5...

In fact, while the I-Pace and the X5 are priced similarly, I think the ride and refinement is more on par with an X3 the more I think about it...

I chose the I-Pace because I wanted something environmentally friendly, fun and comfortable. The infotainment system is crushing my experience with the car and making me focus on all the other small items - like the slightly rough ride.

/end rant (for now).

 

[sciencegeek]

Ah man I feel for you. If your CarPlay worked and your tires were more forgiving you would be so stoked!

 

[sgtpeper]

Yea, it's just the overall experience with the infotainment. I've never had a system take this long to load and fail this often. I'm on D for the upgrade by the way.

 

[epirali]

Worst case can’t you order the 20” wheels with tires and swap out? Maybe even try selling the 22s or swap with someone who wants them?

Hopefully the infotainment system will improve with software updates.

 

[PGhiron]

Interesting enough I decided today to put the car on the highest ride setting (you know the one for off road), and the ride smoothed out a lot. After more than 2 months I had never tried that before. I was really surprised. Try it and see what other think.

 

[jsimon7777]

Are you in dynamic or comfort mode? There is a big difference. The ride is much tauter than an X5 with far better handling. The X5 is a bit of a barge. Raising the suspension should improve the ride but hurt the handling. I haven't looked at the suspension to see how it senses height, but on my Ram, you can adjust the height by replacing some simple plastic parts connected to sensors. Swapping to 20s or 18s will make a difference in your ride. That's why we didn't get the 22s. That and all the potholes that would destroy 22s.

As for bugs in the infotainment, I don't find them important. Android Auto is crap on every car. I'd rather just use my phone when I need to. I also lived with a mid-early version of idrive. That was pretty miserable.

 

[sciencegeek]

As for bugs in the infotainment, I don't find them important. Android Auto is crap on every car. I'd rather just use my phone when I need to. I also lived with a mid-early version of idrive. That was pretty miserable.

The infotainment in my A3 etron (admittedly the cheapskate version without touchscreen) was straight from the stone ages. My expectations regarding infotainment are not super high so I refuse to let that ruin my enjoyment of the awesome car. That said, mine isn't all that bad .. the lag is a second here and there ... big deal. And I always let it boot up nicely before starting to drive. But others' experiences seem to be much worse .. surely not just user difference. Buggy PC comes to mind once again ...

 

[sgtpeper]

How long does yours take to boot? Mine seriously takes at least 90 seconds. I don't want to sit and wait for all my screens to pop up before hittings the road each time I get in the car.

I have driven in off-road mode several times. I didn't notice a huge difference. Also in the off-road mode, it won't automatically lower to access height - which is also a bit dumb. Our XC90 does that no matter what mode you're in.

My X5 definitely doesn't handle like a barge - but that's because I very specifically ordered it with the M-Diff and the other fancy suspension option - I can't remember the name. With those options and the offset 20" tires, the thing really handles quite well for its size. Don't get me wrong, it's nowhere near the handling of my 911 Turbo but it's not bad! Also, early I-Drive was horrendous. After that though, they really nailed it with the ease of functionality.

I was driving home tonight and the car forgot my settings for screen brightness and was blinding me while I tried to find the correct setting to lower the brightness again. I think it's the best in the business right now overall.

At the same time, the stupid heated windshield was making it hard for me to see anything with the blurry vision I get from it when cars are coming at me.

It was a blast to launch it when I got on the highway entry ramp and it's very nice and quiet at speed.

As I said, I'm very torn with what to think about it at this point and I really think if they had just nailed it with the infotainment system my experience wouldn't be quite so jaded.

 

[phila]

I think you should reset everything you can in that car and start over, whether manually or with the push of some button. I dont know which one as I manually deleted all of my settings imaginable; profiles, bluetooth connections,sim cards, etc.
It worked wonders for me and things have been perfect since then.

 

[sgtpeper]

How long does it take for your car to boot now?

The other weird one is that sometimes my profile loads, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes when I click on my profile it says I can't.

Always random.

 

[phila]

Its loaded more or less immediately and hasnt been a problem since. I reconnected my phone, installed the app and setup my profile again shortly after I wiped everything and all has been well since. However...I was also in a similar state to you at one point, very frustrating.

 

[dtgsrq]

My load time is definitely NOT 90 seconds! ... more like 10-15 (maybe 20 on a bad day) from press of start button to full readiness of all screens. I am on S18C (maybe I should avoid S18D update?) I will say I have adjusted my 'routine' ever so slightly to accommodate boot up with NO impact to enjoyability. In my previous ICE car, especially in my garage, starting the car was the LAST thing I would do (after settling in, adjusting seat/wheel, buckling seat belt, positioning or connecting phone, etc.). Despite loving the power of a big ICE engine in my GL450 and GL550, they were loud and (even with door open) would fill my garage with noxious fumes. (OMG, how happy I am to have left that behind!) When with family or others, I would also await all occupants' arrival and door shutting before turning on the vehicle, both for politeness and the noise/pollution factor.

Now I simply get in and start the car first, then make any adjustments (e.g., seats/wheel, connect my phone for CarPlay, etc.) I have found making this little adjustment in order of operations gives the I-Pace just enough time to boot without creating a "wait" or "load" time.

 

[docsbc]

22" roughness

there seems to be a big debate on 22" or 20"s on this car. Ive seen rough, but Ive also seen better handling. Our roads arent bad and Im in the south so Im hoping 22"s will be good. Did your experience change when you changed the setting?

 

[Timbo]

Good morning all,

I bought my I-Pace after enjoying a BMW i3 for three years. My biggest complaint with the i3 was the flinty ride as I really have no interest in feeling every crack in the pavement on a car that really shouldn’t be calibrated towards sporty when it comes with 5.5” wide tires. Speaking of tires, I had to replace them every 25,000 Kilometers which sort of eats into the economy, doesn’t it?

So I was really concerned about going with the 22’s and made sure I test drove it everywhere and looked for rough pavement. I was pleased that the I-Pace rode beautifully on the 22’s and optioned it that way as the look of it sitting there in access height is fantastic.

Once the temperateure dipped below freezing however, the summer rubber became hard and the ride deteriorated noticeably. You really can’t fault the car for this as the tires are expressly made for summer use only. I am hoping that an all-season tire becomes available as I refuse to put ugly wheels on for six months of the year. Living in Canada unfortunately means that there will be crappy weather to contend with. Sgt—I think a different tire will go a long way to improving your ride experience. I just wonder how long we will have to wait?

With regards to the infotainment experience, I would like to give a nod to BMW to how well sorted the electronics were. As soon as you unlock the door, the computer started to fire up because it logically assumes that the next thing you will do is get in and drive off. By the time you are buckled in and ready to go the computer is also ready and the only item (sometimes) left to boot would be the NAV, although that was rare. The other aspect that I liked is that even when you turned off the car, the computer would continue to run in anticipation that you were going to be coming back after running errands. If you didn’t come back after a little while it would go to sleep on it’s own.

What this also allowed for was that during the preconditioning period, the radio would fire up and I could buffer up to 45 mins of Howard Stern before I left to allow me to skip commercials during my commute. A feature I appreciated immensley. Would the computer consume so much energy that Jaguar couldn’t implement this? Think that would be a simple fix that might eliminate a number of issues if you start driving before everything is fully fired up.

Another feature that I would like to see is the music to automatically pause if a call comes in. Once again, a simple patch would enable this option quite easily I think. Maybe it is already there but I can’t find it?

Overall I am very pleased wth the car, but you are right—the colder weather certainly makes the car harder to live with—some of which has been self imposed—some of which is (hopefully) remedied in future updates.

Thankfully, the core-being of the car is fantastic upon which to flesh out some of the issues.

Don’t despair—spring will make you fall in love all over again!

 

[sgtpeper]

Thanks Timbo.

See my other thread regarding tires - I was desperate and ended up getting 265 40 22s to replace the summer tires. I used Continental DWS which is what I ran on my X5 as well.

Maybe it's the fact it has a slightly higher load rating that makes the car a bit rougher over bumps??

And your description of the current iDrive system is spot on. As soon as you unlock everything starts loading. By the time I got in, buckled my seat belt and hit start it was all good to go - I didn't have to wait like 3-4 minutes to hit the voice control button!

 

[fedorachef]

Just need to vent to my fellow I-Pace owners...

I like the car quite a bit but I'm definitely second guessing my purchase at the moment...

Right there with you. I'm actually going through the buyback process with JLR and I'm not sure if I'm going to get another I-Pace. Besides defects with front struts (knocking noise), brake pedal (noise), door handles (sticking & popping), paint (small area where paint is rubbed off on rear bumper), and bugs with software ( nav is horrible) I've had bad experience with service both at the dealer I purchased from and another dealer I tried to make an appointment with. I do like the driveability of the car, looks, and 90% or so of fit and finish, but the range is really disappointing to me. I had a Tesla before and the range was better along with software, but the build quality sucked big time. So if I don't get another I-Pace I'm not sure what I will get instead. I'm watching the Audi's coming soon so maybe I will wait for the sedan coming. Really not sure.

 

[sgtpeper]

Ha, I was really close to buying the Alfa Stelvio Quadrifoglio before finding the I-Pace. The Alfa was absolutely amazing BUT I would have felt incredibly guilty driving a client around while getting like 10mpg in the city...

 

[Time2Roll]

Also in the off-road mode, it won't automatically lower to access height - which is also a bit dumb. Our XC90 does that no matter what mode you're in.

Until you park on a rock.

 

[Dantrium]

Ha, I was really close to buying the Alfa Stelvio Quadrifoglio before finding the I-Pace. The Alfa was absolutely amazing BUT I would have felt incredibly guilty driving a client around while getting like 10mpg in the city...

You would’ve been even more disappointed in the Alfa’s infotainment system! It is the same system in all FCA vehicles, with graphics on par with 80’s Atarai game system...

 

[sgtpeper]

Dantrium - I agree. It was definitely a factor in my decision. However, it did seem to at least load and even without plugging in the phone, you could hold down the voice button to summon Siri.

Thanks,