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https://youtu.be/qLuJ3iAmyRk
Full road test
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IPace UK test drive video
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ok we have another enthusiast, which is nice, but the video is virtually devoid of any useful information beyond all the obvious stuff
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To be fair just seeing it’s moving to dealerships is enough information for me, progress
Range video
New video from JGR, appears to be released today. I am no techie but the basic math would suggest the 240-250 mile range in some range of conditions altho it would appear to be heavily highway driving. Regardless, still excited about new vehicle I have ordered
New video from JGR, appears to be released today. I am no techie but the basic math would suggest the 240-250 mile range in some range of conditions altho it would appear to be heavily highway driving. Regardless, still excited about new vehicle I have ordered
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Charged to 100%, battery 'preconditioned', set eco mode, and set climate to doesn't do a thing mode.
Yea, no thanks. I hop in our Model 3, charged to 90% and rack up 230 miles driving it like the sports car it is... and still have miles left over!
What a pointless "test". I like the car, but they might as well have not done anything.
It would have been better to simply not make this video at all...
Yea, no thanks. I hop in our Model 3, charged to 90% and rack up 230 miles driving it like the sports car it is... and still have miles left over!
What a pointless "test". I like the car, but they might as well have not done anything.
It would have been better to simply not make this video at all...
Yeah, I see a lot of discussion, especially on UK site, questioning the merits of this test. The steady erosion of initial range claims is disappointing, to be sure. So, folks will simply need to assess whether they can live with daily ~200 miles, and perhaps stretching for longer runs. For me, 200+ will likely comprise no more than 5 out of hundreds of trips per year. . .
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The air resistance in the tunnel (vs. real world) the lack of traffic in the tunnel. The fact that they could do the best range MPH in the tunnel.. (usually around 40-45) whole thing wreaks of legacy car maker BS.
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I'm not arguing the original point (that this is not a particularly useful test of range), but I'm curious why you would assume air resistance in the tunnel to be less than air resistance in "the real world". It's a tunnel, not a vacuum. If anything, air pressure/resistance is higher in the tunnel. I know they have pressure release valves for the trains, but I doubt they have those in the service tunnel (which was used in this video).
Other than that, your point is taken. Despite having a 90 kwh battery, the "shrinking range" phenomenon for this car is disturbing. That said, for my purposes, anything over 100 miles is fairly immaterial. I recognize others need their vehicle to go longer distances, so maybe it's not the car for them. Too bad, I test drove it last week and it's a rocket ship. So much fun. Can't wait for mine to get here (late Oct/early Nov is what I was told last week).
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It's not some empty tunnel, but anyway:
What's the complaint about 230 miles and 23% charge remaining? Seems ok to me, in line with prior expectation.
What's the complaint about 230 miles and 23% charge remaining? Seems ok to me, in line with prior expectation.
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While the static air resistance in the tunnel would be similar, you have many more variables in the 'open air' than in a tunnel. Traffic wind, 18-wheelers, cross winds, rain, snow, varying road quality leading to varying rolling resistance. I just think it looks like they really went out of their way to test unrealistic conditions. I don't personally own a 100+ mile tunnel of my own, so this exercise is not only pointless, it takes time away from valid ones... 
(Unless I'm in the minority, and each of you have your own personal tunnels, in which case, awesome, I want to check them out)!
One could even consider the more consistent temp in the tunnel, which would increase range by not having to run the AC/Heat as hard as you would 'outside'.
To Jag's credit, this is probably the world's first car test that occurred 'indoors'. You know, where most cars are used...
I still like the iPace, but it just wreaks of desperation. They are trying so hard to prove it's a 'real car', it comes off as detrimental... I wonder if anyone from Jag reads this site.
(Unless I'm in the minority, and each of you have your own personal tunnels, in which case, awesome, I want to check them out)! One could even consider the more consistent temp in the tunnel, which would increase range by not having to run the AC/Heat as hard as you would 'outside'.
To Jag's credit, this is probably the world's first car test that occurred 'indoors'. You know, where most cars are used...
I still like the iPace, but it just wreaks of desperation. They are trying so hard to prove it's a 'real car', it comes off as detrimental... I wonder if anyone from Jag reads this site.
Some very entertaining commentary here. So, credit to the authors. Also, I think drivers in some regions might experience tunnels on a daily basis, no?
Anyway, similarly curious folks at the UK forum made inquiries with JLR. Here's a response:
"An average speed measurement was not taken, but this test was conducted on a variety of different roads and the driver took care to drive as they would normally. It was essential that our drive was representative of real-world use, not ‘hypermiling’ with comfort features such as climate control switched off. The aim of this activity was not to try and get the best range possible, but to showcase I-PACE's everyday usability."
Anyway, similarly curious folks at the UK forum made inquiries with JLR. Here's a response:
"An average speed measurement was not taken, but this test was conducted on a variety of different roads and the driver took care to drive as they would normally. It was essential that our drive was representative of real-world use, not ‘hypermiling’ with comfort features such as climate control switched off. The aim of this activity was not to try and get the best range possible, but to showcase I-PACE's everyday usability."
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All I know is my S was EPA rated for 300wH/mile. I averaged 365 across 50,000 miles. I admit I also took down rear tires at a rate of new tires every 10,000 miles...
A test for me would be set the (equivalent of) auto pilot to 85 mph and go for my usual weekend trip... comparing it to our Model 3. Takes a lot of the human factor out of it... which is exactly how the 3 is driven.
So far the Model 3 is a range machine. It just keeps going. I'll get the lifetime wH/mile when I get home. It has over 12,000 miles on it now.
A test for me would be set the (equivalent of) auto pilot to 85 mph and go for my usual weekend trip... comparing it to our Model 3. Takes a lot of the human factor out of it... which is exactly how the 3 is driven.
So far the Model 3 is a range machine. It just keeps going. I'll get the lifetime wH/mile when I get home. It has over 12,000 miles on it now.
200 miles is exactly what I want. The Bolt is rated at 238, and I got 200 per charge driving as fast and as inefficiently as I want. I don't ever want to have to worry about power usage in a car, and 200 miles real world range does it for me. I never go more than about 160 in a day, unless it's a long trip where I'll be taking the big gas guzzler anyway. EVs are still city cars for the foreseeable future, even Teslas. So if the I-Pace delivers a solid 200 miles, that works for me. If it's less, I'd pass and wait for something better - life is just too short to waste any of it on range anxiety.
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Clearly, for long, long, long range drivers, the i-Pace isn't the best choice. Go get a Tesla 100D, a diesel sedan, or a small engined, efficiency geared pickup with a 30+ gallon tank.
Tesla has been offering some fairly serious discounts on inventory Model S and X's the last few weeks as well.
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lol "city cars"? I drove my Model S places because of the super charger network.
Places I'd never been before. All over the freaking place. 60,000 miles worth of places.
www.supercharge.info exactly where can't you go?
at 14 MPG in my current ride (until I pick up an EV-SUV) I'll tell you where I don't go now... anywhere. it's too **** expensive! (we take the 3)
Places I'd never been before. All over the freaking place. 60,000 miles worth of places.
www.supercharge.info exactly where can't you go?
at 14 MPG in my current ride (until I pick up an EV-SUV) I'll tell you where I don't go now... anywhere. it's too **** expensive! (we take the 3)
Every year I go the 500 miles between Las Vegas and Twin Falls on hwy 93. Yes you can go around to Salt lake but then you are going 150 miles out of your way.
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The bottom line is, until the technology advances to the point where you can fully recharge your battery in 5-10 minutes at charging stations located at every exit on any highway, long distance travel in any EV is not going to be as convenient as it is with an ICE. Sure, absolutely, doing it in a 3 or an S is easier than an I Pace. I will totally grant that point. But it's still not nearly as easy as doing it in, say, a Toyota Camry. You just have to decide what you need the vehicle for and what trade-offs you're willing/able to make. For me, personally, I'm only using it to get to work, go around town and occasionally make a 100-mile trip to my place in the mountains (where I have a charger in my garage). So the I-Pace is perfect. Especially with the AWD and off-road capabilities. But that's me. Clearly others have different needs/priorities and this car doesn't work for them. That's fine. It doesn't mean it's a crappy car. Just means it doesn't meet their needs. (It meets mine.)
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