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Hey guys -

I am a proud owner of an I-Pace but I've been struggling with the emergency lane keeping and I'll tell you why: Near my place there's a tiny road which his badly built and poorly treated and there are cars going both ways. It's easy to find yourself near the middle of the road just to avoid a hole or swerving to an obstacle.

The emergency lane system in the I-Pace doesn't work well there as it often activates when I am in the middle of the road and since it's tiny, as I try to avoid incoming traffic it actually pushes me towards it which is extremely dangerous.

Now, the struggle I am writing you about, when I disable it in the control system my problem goes away. The pain is that it comes back every time you re-start the car.

Question, have you faced a similar issue and do you have a hack to permanently disable the emergency lane keeping or a suggestion that maybe I haven't thought off.

Thanking you all in advance.
 

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If I change the Driver Assistance setting from Steer to Alert and then save my settings it stays that way until I change it back. Are you saving your driver settings after you make the change?
 

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By saving do you mean just scroll back up and close after you untick the lane assist option? I have read in the user manual that it always go back to tick'd once you re-start the car.

I can't seem to find where to choose Alert rather than Steer, can you steer me in the right direction please? (no pun intended)
 

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I've turned mine to vibrate only as the car likes to think that shadows on the roadway are things to be avoided. Recently though, my setting is getting reset about once a week from vibrate back to steer assist. (I have Emergency Lake Keeping on, Steering assistance to Both (LKA, Cruise Steering Asst), and LKA Settings to Vibrate). I've had the car a year, and it has only been exhibiting this "reset" behavior for the last month (give or take since I haven't been driving nearly as often).

To find these settings - use the steering wheel selector to navigate to Driver assistance - the steering assistance settings are all under this location.
 

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I've turned mine to vibrate only as the car likes to think that shadows on the roadway are things to be avoided. Recently though, my setting is getting reset about once a week from vibrate back to steer assist. (I have Emergency Lake Keeping on, Steering assistance to Both (LKA, Cruise Steering Asst), and LKA Settings to Vibrate). I've had the car a year, and it has only been exhibiting this "reset" behavior for the last month (give or take since I haven't been driving nearly as often).

To find these settings - use the steering wheel selector to navigate to Driver assistance - the steering assistance settings are all under this location.
It’s really annoying and dangerous as it keeps resetting and often I am caught off-guard as he steers me towards incoming traffic. I have found other reporting on how dangerous AEB and lane assist have been.
 

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From reading thru the manual it would seem that Lane Keep Assistance (LKA) can be turned on and off and the setting retained after turning off the vehicle. However, the Emergency Lane Keeping (ELK) does reset (turn back on) evergy time the vehicle is started.
I use LKA while on the highway and have had no problems. The manual does say that these features should turn off at speeds below 40mph. Perhaps you speed sensor is not turning the feature off since I cannot image driving these "tiny" roads at high speed.
 

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From reading thru the manual it would seem that Lane Keep Assistance (LKA) can be turned on and off and the setting retained after turning off the vehicle. However, the Emergency Lane Keeping (ELK) does reset (turn back on) evergy time the vehicle is started.
I use LKA while on the highway and have had no problems. The manual does say that these features should turn off at speeds below 40mph. Perhaps you speed sensor is not turning the feature off since I cannot image driving these "tiny" roads at high speed.
This is correct and what I experience. If you look it up you'll find I-Pace owners reporting issues with both LKA and ELK to the point where accidents may have been caused by the first and the latter coming on unpredictably due to shades on the road.

Unfortunately it's not uncommon that you'd find yourself at ~40mph being steered into incoming traffic (speed limit is 90kmh which is 56mph). The reason I started this thread was to see if other have experienced it and if there would be a work-around.

I guess I need to live with disconnecting it every time I start the car...
 

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Are there any other people who have been told by Jaguar that the LKA can be turned off? How many have experienced unwanted, and unwarranted input from the driver assistance system? If yes, what was the dealers reponse? Has anyone had an accident or almost had an accident as a result?
 

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Hey guys -

I am a proud owner of an I-Pace but I've been struggling with the emergency lane keeping and I'll tell you way: Near my place there's a tiny road which his badly built and poorly treated and there are cars going both ways. It's easy to find yourself near the middle of the road just to avoid a hole or swerving to an obstacle.

The emergency lane system in the I-Pace doesn't work well there as it often activates when I am in the middle of the road and since it's tiny, as I try to avoid incoming traffic it actually pushes me towards it which is extremely dangerous.

Now, the struggle I am writing you about, when I disable it in the control system my problem goes away. The pain is that it comes back every time you re-start the car.

Question, have you faced a similar issue and do you have a hack to permanently disable the emergency lane keeping or a suggestion that maybe I haven't thought off.

Thanking you all in advance.
This is correct and what I experience. If you look it up you'll find I-Pace owners reporting issues with both LKA and ELK to the point where accidents may have been caused by the first and the latter coming on unpredictably due to shades on the road.

Unfortunately it's not uncommon that you'd find yourself at ~40mph being steered into incoming traffic (speed limit is 90kmh which is 56mph). The reason I started this thread was to see if other have experienced it and if there would be a work-around.

I guess I need to live with disconnecting it every time I start the car...
What has been Jaguars response? What state are you in?
 

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Both LKA and ELK can be turned off, but ELK will always come back on when the car is restarted. I personally find it annoying and wish it wouldn't.
 

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This is correct and what I experience. If you look it up you'll find I-Pace owners reporting issues with both LKA and ELK to the point where accidents may have been caused by the first and the latter coming on unpredictably due to shades on the road.

Unfortunately it's not uncommon that you'd find yourself at ~40mph being steered into incoming traffic (speed limit is 90kmh which is 56mph). The reason I started this thread was to see if other have experienced it and if there would be a work-around.

I guess I need to live with disconnecting it every time I start the car...
I understand your concern. I have noticed that when the steering assist mechanisms kick it can be at time disconcerting. That said, it has never kicked unnecessarily and while you may feel that the car is being redirected into oncoming traffic, I assume since we are having this conversation, that you have never actually been involved in an accident in this manner.
For drivers not used to the vehicle taking corrective measures, such actions can easily be conceived as being dangerous since the driver will grasp the wheel after the initial correction and take control at that point and complete the steering correction that the car would have otherwise completed.
Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but the systems have work great for me and I routinely use the LKA when highway driving due to shoulder issues.
 

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As stated, emergency lane keep assist resets every time.

Lane Keep Assist, if active, will light up the lane marking symbol on the steering wheel (right side outer bottom). Press it to turn off/on. You'll see lane marking symbol in the lower left of the cluster display (assuming it isn't in full navigation map mode) turn on/off too. The lines of this symbol will be green when active and gray if temporarily disabled (e.g. it can't tell where the lane marker is). Cars with HUD also get indication there too.

You can also go through the menu to disable the feature. It is up to you to control the car. Disable it in those areas where it has troubles.
 

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I understand your concern. I have noticed that when the steering assist mechanisms kick it can be at time disconcerting. That said, it has never kicked unnecessarily and while you may feel that the car is being redirected into oncoming traffic, I assume since we are having this conversation, that you have never actually been involved in an accident in this manner.
For drivers not used to the vehicle taking corrective measures, such actions can easily be conceived as being dangerous since the driver will grasp the wheel after the initial correction and take control at that point and complete the steering correction that the car would have otherwise completed.
Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but the systems have work great for me and I routinely use the LKA when highway driving due to shoulder issues.
Hey, not looking for sympathy here - feel free to answer to the questions raised: 1) Do you feel the same and; 2) Is there a workaround. No need to put extra energy trying to point the figure to the driver.

You can also refrain from risking to come across as patronising i.e. "for drivers not used" as I wouldn't assume you have no idea what assisted steering is like if you drive a Tesla (I own a Model S and a Porsche 911 turbo so I am not sure if I'd be the average driver). I reinforce that I feel I-Pace's response to assisted steering is very poor and dangerous, I don't expect all to feel the same and I surely won't assume that maybe because you haven't experienced better that you're actually happy with it...

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1) accident allegedly caused by AEB
2) Test results

Thank you all for your feedback, this helps.
 

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As stated, emergency lane keep assist resets every time.

Lane Keep Assist, if active, will light up the lane marking symbol on the steering wheel (right side outer bottom). Press it to turn off/on. You'll see lane marking symbol in the lower left of the cluster display (assuming it isn't in full navigation map mode) turn on/off too. The lines of this symbol will be green when active and gray if temporarily disabled (e.g. it can't tell where the lane marker is). Cars with HUD also get indication there too.

You can also go through the menu to disable the feature. It is up to you to control the car. Disable it in those areas where it has troubles.
Thanks but this isn't the point -- LKA can be disabled permanently and won't come on on its own after you re-start the car. ELK resets to default (ON) every time you switch the car ON.
Point - it's annoying that you need to switch it off each time, especially if its behaviour isn't the best in class.
 

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Hey, not looking for sympathy here - feel free to answer to the questions raised: 1) Do you feel the same and; 2) Is there a workaround. No need to put extra energy trying to point the figure to the driver.

You can also refrain from risking to come across as patronising i.e. "for drivers not used" as I wouldn't assume you have no idea what assisted steering is like if you drive a Tesla (I own a Model S and a Porsche 911 turbo so I am not sure if I'd be the average driver). I reinforce that I feel I-Pace's response to assisted steering is very poor and dangerous, I don't expect all to feel the same and I surely won't assume that maybe because you haven't experienced better that you're actually happy with it...

Source:
1) accident allegedly caused by AEB
2) Test results

Thank you all for your feedback, this helps.
Not aiming to be patronizing, nor dismissive of your concerns. That said, I've seen no cases on this forum or elsewhere where these steering assistance systems have actually caused an accident. Your two "Sources" relate to AEB systems not steering.
Maybe the Tesla or Porsche steering assistance systems are "better", I have no experience of them. However having no issues with the JLR system, "better" would be a redundant term. I am sure you could quote technical specs that show a difference in the systems, however unless these equate to real world accidents the subject comes down to personal choice and preferences. If the Tesla/Porsche systems are better, drive a Tesla/Porsche and show your preference in a way that makes a point to JLR.
 

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Not aiming to be patronizing, nor dismissive of your concerns. That said, I've seen no cases on this forum or elsewhere where these steering assistance systems have actually caused an accident. Your two "Sources" relate to AEB systems not steering.
Maybe the Tesla or Porsche steering assistance systems are "better", I have no experience of them. However having no issues with the JLR system, "better" would be a redundant term. I am sure you could quote technical specs that show a difference in the systems, however unless these equate to real world accidents the subject comes down to personal choice and preferences. If the Tesla/Porsche systems are better, drive a Tesla/Porsche and show your preference in a way that makes a point to JLR.
Too many things to unpack in your response but I will try:
1) Haven't really asked your opinion on anything else other than the above mentioned points but thanks so much for sharing it proactively;
2) I don't think it's true that better is redundant in the absence of issues i.e. a Mercedes S-Class is probably better than a FIAT 500 but that doesn't necessarily means there's something wrong with the 500 - just take both out for a spin and make your own mind, no need to convince others;
3) I don't personally think it makes sense to just wait for accidents to happen to have a point, it's probably too late then; (I did see some accidents reportedly ELK related but can't bother now to add them here);
4) I expect a €90k+ car to behave differently than a €40k one, in other words, it's rubbish what they offer now and they should deliver according to the class' expectations;
5) I choose not to have to send JLR a message by driving another brand, I like the car, I just need them to update some things. At the same time, there's just not another electric SUV I even remotely like apart from this.
 

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Have you found a spot where it's reproducible, or can you make it happen at will? I bet someone at JLR would respond if you showed them a video. Maybe you'll be able to get them to keep it off once you turn it off in the Menu. That would be a win.
 
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