That's an estimated range of 220 miles which is less than the Bolt's 238 mile range. Guess 400 ponies comes with a cost in terms of distance it can travel as the battery will be drained slightly faster.
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EVSE - Home "Charging"
It would seem that it is 4 months until the Production I-Pace is revealed (though we can glean a lot from the eTrophy) and perhaps (fingers crossed) 12 months until deliveries begin - now just might be the time to start a conversation about - Home Charging.
Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) or Level 2 "Chargers" is what you will need to Google to discover what you will need. What I have discovered is that the charger is actual part of the vehicle and the EVSE is what provides the AC power to the car. Curiously all EVSEs are not created equal, as some require and thus provide more power to the car than others; and some can communicate with the vehicle, and you, more effectively than others. I think most of us will be wanting to "fuel" our cars at home and we will need to install this equipment as a simple wall plug will soon prove to be unsatisfactory. Initial investigations have revealed units that can provide 6.6 kW/hr up to 15.4 kW/hr (Teslas have even higher) and needless to say as the charge rate becomes quicker, the cost of equipment and installation increases, as does the heat subjected to the batteries (not a good thing).
I imagine that I am not alone when it comes to being a neophyte with regards to what I have to do once I get my I-Pace home and we will all have some prep work to do (for us first time EV owners). Jaguar will have training sessions to be sure and I am hoping that they will have a EVSE with some solid capabilities (for the purists) though many non-automotive brands are well respected; with very positive reviews. If you are just getting started checkout EVObsession's website regarding "Electric Car Charging 101" (North American Bias) it seems like a good start.
It would seem that it is 4 months until the Production I-Pace is revealed (though we can glean a lot from the eTrophy) and perhaps (fingers crossed) 12 months until deliveries begin - now just might be the time to start a conversation about - Home Charging.
Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) or Level 2 "Chargers" is what you will need to Google to discover what you will need. What I have discovered is that the charger is actual part of the vehicle and the EVSE is what provides the AC power to the car. Curiously all EVSEs are not created equal, as some require and thus provide more power to the car than others; and some can communicate with the vehicle, and you, more effectively than others. I think most of us will be wanting to "fuel" our cars at home and we will need to install this equipment as a simple wall plug will soon prove to be unsatisfactory. Initial investigations have revealed units that can provide 6.6 kW/hr up to 15.4 kW/hr (Teslas have even higher) and needless to say as the charge rate becomes quicker, the cost of equipment and installation increases, as does the heat subjected to the batteries (not a good thing).
I imagine that I am not alone when it comes to being a neophyte with regards to what I have to do once I get my I-Pace home and we will all have some prep work to do (for us first time EV owners). Jaguar will have training sessions to be sure and I am hoping that they will have a EVSE with some solid capabilities (for the purists) though many non-automotive brands are well respected; with very positive reviews. If you are just getting started checkout EVObsession's website regarding "Electric Car Charging 101" (North American Bias) it seems like a good start.
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Whilst correct in many scenarios, I wouldn't be comfortable with it.
We have off-peak electricity for 7 hours during the night, so I would like to be charged within that time.
Yup, we do not return home with 0% exactly, and need 100% the following morning
I have got home at 1% on one occasion. Once was enough for that ...... but I do return home "as empty as possible". If my journey is long enough that I exceed range, and need to Supercharge (in my case) then I only charge enough to get home (plus, say, 20 miles "spare"). Otherwise I'm just sitting waiting at the charger ...
So I am arriving home at 10%, or so, and I may very well need a decent charge for tomorrow's trip - e.g. Saturday and Sunday outings. Being "back up to full battery in a couple of days" is no good on the days when you do need that range.
I would just prefer to be able to "easily" charge overnight. My charge rate gets me about 10% per hour, so if I come home on 10% I will need to charge for an extra hour, in addition to the 7-hour off-peak period, to get back to 90%
According to JLR, the battery true capacity is 84.7 kWh, and assuming it's a 90kWh array, 100% is not 100%, it has a buffer. As some Tesla owners can attest, their battery has either a tiny or no buffer at all.Late replying, but in case of interest to anyone:
Whilst correct in many scenarios, I wouldn't be comfortable with it.
We have off-peak electricity for 7 hours during the night, so I would like to be charged within that time.
Yup, we do not return home with 0% exactly, and need 100% the following morning
... but I do return home "as empty as possible". If my journey is long enough that I exceed range, and need to Supercharge (in my case) then I only charge enough to get home (plus, say, 20 miles "spare"). Otherwise I'm just sitting waiting at the charger ...
So I am arriving home at 10%, or so, and I may very well need a decent charge for tomorrow's trip - e.g. Saturday and Sunday outings. Being "back up to full battery in a couple of days" is no good on the days when you do need that range.
I would just prefer to be able to "easily" charge overnight. My charge rate gets me about 10% per hour, so if I come home on 10% I will need to charge for an extra hour, in addition to the 7-hour off-peak period, to get back to 90%
240v x 32a for 7 hours should net 188 miles of range if a dollar or two is more than your budget can support. Normal people who can afford $60k+ cars, do not worry about paying $1 to $5 dollars extra for plugging in early for a special trip. The i-Pace has Departure Charging according to JLR. So you plug it in when you get home, and it starts charging based on your END OF SUPER-OFFPEAK time schedule.
Did Tesla ever get that corrected yet? It appears on cars that are as cheap as $25k loaded (ACC, Color of Choice, Nice wheels, Leather, Wifi Hotspot) after all taxes and incentives, so I assume a $50k stripped black Tesla (No ACC, plastic seating & backordered for 12-36 months) can do it by now.
And in areas where most EVs are sold, there are a large number of DCFCs although normally only 50kW. So you can top off close to home before your long trip begins. The first 150kW chargers are going in. There is one near me.
The i-Pace is programmed at this point at 100kW max. But an engineer stated they can change that up to 120kW through software should 120kW charging become available.
Yes, the Tesla has the better charging network. But neither match my Cadillac in luxury or range or quite frankly price either when optioned out. All EVs currently are inferior for interstate, anywhere, anytime travel. Should that be a critical need, there is not an EV available that matches existing ICE vehicles. Unless you count EREV class cars, that is full rated power on battery alone, as EVs. They operate as BEVs for commuting, but can even to Alaska, Canada, Mexico, anywhere there are roads.
Yes, agreed. Presumably "whole battery" available in Tesla, hence need to choose to charge to, say, 90% daily and then adjust to 100% "for trips" ... and risk that Punters don't understand and charge to 100% all the time, or charge to 100% and "leave it there".
Probably made more sense when batteries were a lot smaller, better to have an "unseen" buffer instead.
My mistake, I thought i-Pace could not charge at 240v x 32a
That's not the whole story though ...
Electricity in UK is 50% discount at off-peak so a) not exactly nothing
and b) as an eco-warrior I would prefer to accomodate the power companies who are offering me that price to try to use their off-peak background load, rather than charging at peak times and contributing to their scheduling problems.Can't speak of Jag, but on Tesla I can set a Schedule Charge Time at (each) location, so my car will start charging at midnight if I park it at home so, if I need more juice than that, I have to remember to override the scheduled timer (or not use it at all of course ...) and chances are I will forget.
We have high tax on Fuel (like most of world outside USA) so the price saving using Electric is dramatic. Comparing price of Petrol/Diesel here to electricity means that on UK off-peak electricity I get around 200 miles-per-gallon equivalent. So you are right, it makes very little difference to me (compared to the Fossil Fuel price I was used to), if I charge a bit more/less at Peak/Off-peak. Of course Tesla owners will tell you that the main reason they bought the car was for "Free Supercharging", and £100K for the car to get $600 a year for Gas is crazy-talk. But we all love a bargain
But my purcashe was as much for Eco Early Adopter as it was for performance or anything else.Neat; hadn't heard that. Most of the 3rd party APPs I use don't provide a "charge ready for departure time" in case there is a power cut and they will be sued or whatever as a consequence. Nuts. I'd be happy to take that risk, it would be a very rare thing to get caught out
Presume you are referring to Departure Charging? Definitely not got that. Scheduled Charging starts at appointed time (start of my off-peak period in my case). It is smart enough to decide that if I come home a few hours after that time that it should still start charging anyway, rather than "do nothing until tomorrow night :frown2
so that part is OK.No telling what might arrive over the airwaves at the next update of course, but there are plenty of "Why haven't they build my [INSERT KILLED FEATURE HERE] yet", which is purely a consequence of the whole OTA ability creating an expectation in the consumer
Personally I'm not exactly sold on OTA. All the freebie cool stuff I've received in 2 years is a nice bonus of course ...
... but lets say the car updates tonight. Tomorrow my wife jumps in the car and reads the Update Notes (such as it is) on the Screen. She sets off ...
... later I jump in the car. No update notes for me, in fact no notification that it has changed. (In practice I would have go a notification on my phone, but that may not be the case for all the car's drivers of course). SO the first I know of a change of behaviour is when it occurs as I'm driving along ...
If I had to take the car to the shop to get here update then maybe ... MAYBE?? :nerd: ... the Support Person would tell me about anything important that I should know about. and MAYBE? I'd tell my wife ...
Taht said, some decent YouTube "training videos" from Tesla at each OTA release would do the trick ...
My Phone changing willy-nilly is at worst annoying. A car doing that ... I'm not so sure ...
But its a 1st World Problem for sure.
And in areas where most EVs are sold, there are a large number of DCFCs although normally only 50kW.We have loads nearby too. (I looked on Plugshare recently and was really surprised), But 90% of them are one-pump sites so cannot be sure if will be free when you get there. And all have absolutely rubbish maintenance as I mentioned earlier. That's probably because government handed out money for people to install these things, originally, so no incentive to actually make them work
I don't think this stuff is as big a deal as many folk seem to think. Including the 800volt 400KW or whatever Porsche stuff.
Yes it definitely needs to be faster than 32 AMP
If you are driving coast to coast and have multiple charges to do speed will be nice. But if you just need "enough to get home" I really really doubt that the difference is important. I do that sort of charging quite often (i.e. when my out-and-back day trip exceeds my max 220 mile range by a bit) It would be very rare for e to need more than 80 miles extra and that would take 15 minutes; by the time I've walked to the services and had a pee, and maybe got a coffee or a chocolate bar, and walked back I've used up most/all the 15 minutes. If it was 7 minutes I would still go have a pee and get a coffee .. and often I don't need as much as 80 miles extra.
If the charge happened in 1 minute then, yeah, I'd skip the pee and coffee
Agreed. We still have an ICE on the driveway ... although it is a small hatchback and more often used for pubic car parks (bays here are small and Tesla is huge) rather than long distance - I take the Tesla for long distance out of principle - I like to think I'm doing my bit for the planet.
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