[rcomeau]

@dplaser

See H484 thread. Eligible cars with H484 recall can get the entire traction battery replaced instead of modules, or negotiate a buyback. Those cars will not get recall H514.

Can we assume other countries will soon follow?

 

[Photon2.0eV]

Are you saying that they replaced all 36 high voltage battery modules?

Yes. A complete new battery pack manufactured on March 18, 2024.

 

[dplaser]

Yes. A complete new battery pack manufactured on March 18, 2024. View attachment 8742

Thats great, congrats. So you had a battery unit that was on that unsafe list to be replaced? Will they replace the battery units that were not on the list?

 

[Photon2.0eV]

Will they replace the battery units that were not on the list?

That decision will be up to JLR.

 

[markgroce]

Thats great, congrats. So you had a battery unit that was on that unsafe list to be replaced? Will they replace the battery units that were not on the list?

They told me no. I have one defective cell presently.

 

[RussianBlueSF]

Bingo. Topix says I am in H514 tonight.

Same with mine. Still haven’t had any modules changed (just living with 72% limit for the past six months).

 

[Trielectric]

Here is a statement in H514:"Recalled vehicles will receive a software update that will alter the maximum state of charge of the battery to 80%." I have been monitoring my charging temperatures while charging with 120VAC. I am posting them here because 80% is in my recording. My 80% is while charging, so the voltage is a degree or two higher than it would be stagnant. Car was shutdown with no HVAC running before charging.
OverHeat when using 120vac to charge:
Volts Miles % ....GarTempf ..... Time ....... BattTempf Fan never ran
424 188 80% ....... 87 ............ 18:50....... 100
426 195 83% ....... 85 ............ 23:29....... 102
427 196 83% ....... 84 ............ 23:55....... 102
427 197 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:30........ 109 #3
427 197 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:32....... 120 #3
427 197 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:34....... 123 #3
427 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:41....... 132 #3
428 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:43....... 134 #3
428 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:53....... 136 #3&#6
428 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:57....... 145 #6&#3
427 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 01:00....... 122 #6 Unplugged reading
Volts Miles % ....... GaragTemp..Time....... BattTmpf
Update 12 Sept 2024 Charging With 240VAC below. Fan was running about 15seconds every minute.
427 195 83% ....... 87 ........... 17:27 ...... 190 #5
438 222 94% ....... 87 ............. 19:08....... 194 #4 #5 & #2 Unplugged reading

194f degrees is quite aways over the 175 degrees recommended max. for Lithium Ion batteries.

 

[Time2Roll]

Here is a statement in H514:"Recalled vehicles will receive a software update that will alter the maximum state of charge of the battery to 80%." I have been monitoring my charging temperatures while charging with 120VAC. I am posting them here because 80% is in my recording. My 80% is while charging, so the voltage is a degree or two higher than it would be stagnant. Car was shutdown with no HVAC running before charging.
OverHeat when using 120vac to charge:
Volts Miles % ....GarTempf ..... Time ....... BattTempf
424 188 80% ....... 87 ............ 18:50....... 100
426 195 83% ....... 85 ............ 23:29....... 102
427 196 83% ....... 84 ............ 23:55....... 102
427 197 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:30........ 109 #3
427 197 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:32....... 120 #3
427 197 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:34....... 123 #3
427 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:41....... 132 #3
428 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:43....... 134 #3
428 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:53....... 136 #3&#6
428 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 00:57....... 145 #6&#3
427 198 84% ....... 84 ............ 01:00....... Unplugged reading122 #6
Volts Miles % ....... GaragTemp..Time....... BattTmpf

What is considered high temp for the battery? Was the cooling system running?

 

[Trielectric]

What is considered high temp for the battery? Was the cooling system running?

That is the ? I also want to know. The cooling system does not run when charging using 120vac. You would never get it charged if the cooling system was running, when using 120vac. I have seen ~176f degrees listed as maximum temperature before you start to damage the battery & ~500f the battery may catch fire. I especially would like to know the temperature H441 will trip your car back to 72% max charging.

 

[Time2Roll]

That is the ? I also want to know. The cooling system does not run when charging using 120vac. You would never get it charged if the cooling system was running, when using 120vac.

OK mine will run the fans for a minute in the heat and will often run what I believe is the coolant pump during L2.

Was recently out in the heat L3 charging for a long drive and the cooling system did not consistently run either. Then the A/C also stopped. I think the battery is being tortured by the software.

 

[Ayepace]

@Time2Roll

More measurement data would be useful over vague statements of human observation and description. "Out in the heat" is vague. One person's heat could be another's comfortable or warm temperature.

I just drove a long distance trip with 2 stops at L3 chargers. In upper 50sF temp and starting at 6% SOC with peak 103kW cooling fan on the heat exchanger ran occasionally along with coolant pump (vibrations felt through steering wheel). In 80sF and starting at 17% SOC with peak 104kW the cooling fan ran more frequently and faster, but not continuously. Unfortunately I didn't have my scanner to check temperatures.

The battery coolant is circulated through a section of the heat exchanger radiator for cooling and the A/C is used only if necessary for additional cooling. The heat exchanger fan running does not imply the A/C is running but it will run when A/C usage is needed.

Check reports I posted at https://www.i-paceforum.com/threads/hv-battery-reports-autel-scanner-tool-can-do-it.8773/#post-94946. Those were at L2 charging.

 

[Ayepace]

Dealership notification

 

[Snowflake]

Oof. A stop sale.

 

[Ayepace]

Oof. A stop sale.

Boilerplate text. I doubt there are any unsold new 2019MY cats at dealers waiting to be adopted.

 

[Snowflake]

Ah, required for new sales but recommended for used.

 

[Time2Roll]

@Time2Roll

More measurement data would be useful over vague statements of human observation and description. "Out in the heat" is vague. One person's heat could be another's comfortable or warm temperature.

In my case 110F is driving in the heat. 70 mph, 3 hours. Then charging at 80+ kW. Front cooling fans not running during the charge. Not running when the cabin A/C was "turned on" upon departure from charging either. No cooling for the cabin and I suspect no cooling for the battery.

 

[Ayepace]

This should be taken to its own thread since it isn't related to the H514 recall.

 

[ryzvy]

"A concern with the capability of the diagnostic software introduced through safety recalls H441, H459 or H471 has been determined as post software update 2019MY vehicle fires have been reported"

Does this mean that if I haven't had H459 applied yet I shouldn't bother doing it and just wait for H514?

 

[Ayepace]

You would only need H459 or H471 if H441 was improperly installed. Were you notified your car needs H459 corrective install of H441? Further delay is at your own risk. Check TOPIx to see if both are listed or just H514.

 

[ryzvy]

Yes, I got the letter

You would only need H459 or H471 if H441 was improperly installed. Were you notified your car needs H459 corrective install of H441? Further delay is at your own risk. Check TOPIx to see if both are listed or just H514.

Yes, I got the letter that I needed H459 corrective install of H441. TOPIx shows both H459 and H514 for my VIN. The reason I asked was because the note for H514 says that there is a "concern with the capability" of H459. So if it is not doing the job it was designed for why bother having it installed rather than wait for H514?