[Qtown charger]

How many vehicles are we talking about for a potential battery replacement? Even if only one 2023 has tripped the H441 software JLR cannot guarantee any of the 70k vehicles sold are 100% safe.

No way were they stockpiling 70k replacement batteries to accomodate the performance warranty. Battery production would have stopped months ago, production lines scheduled and dedicated to future contracts. Restarting production may or may not be practical.

I'm not trying to be negative, but LG will not be eager to resupply even half that number of new batteries. From their perspective other resolutions will be more viable. Sorry, but that is probably reality.

 

[Vandy2020]

How many vehicles are we talking about for a potential battery replacement? Even if only one 2023 has tripped the H441 software JLR cannot guarantee any of the 70k vehicles sold are 100% safe.

No way were they stockpiling 70k replacement batteries to accomodate the performance warranty. Battery production would have stopped months ago, production lines scheduled and dedicated to future contracts. Restarting production may or may not be practical.

I'm not trying to be negative, but LG will not be eager to resupply even half that number of new batteries. From their perspective other resolutions will be more viable. Sorry, but that is probably reality.

H514 affects less than 3,000 vehicles in the USA and probably less than 10,000 worldwide.

 

[sciencegeek]

I wonder how Waymo is faring with theirs ..

 

[bitzerj]

It seems to me that JLR is running out the clock. My 2019 is almost 5yrs old (even though I purchased it new in 2021) and the book value is dropping like a brick. Next year iit is worth less.... JLR is caught in the EV dilemma the fix will cost more than the car is worth.

I had a super high-end Sony TV (Qualia) that cost me ~ $10K. It had three warranty repairs that cost $7K each. When the Light Engine went again, Sony refused to fix it, and the fight started. Finally, after going back and forth, the fix was for them to sell me their top-of-the-line LED for $200 (shipped). At least Sony did the right thing to make their customers whole.

I'm not sure the answer here, but I know I'm pissed as ****. My winter range sucked and now with the 20% hit is worthless for any trip of any decent distance.

 

[Ayepace]

Final resolution: buybacks.

"The issue was further reviewed at JLR’s RDC on November 11, 2024, where it was agreed that in the interest of timely resolution for customers, the permanent remedy for the defect in these vehicles is to reacquire affected vehicles. These vehicles will be held in the control of JLR until further notice."

See: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V633-5344.PDF

 

[dernotte]

I wonder how Waymo is faring with theirs ..

That’s exactly what I was thinking. We never heard Waymo thought (blog,…) on this shit show. They have invested millions in their car fleet.

 

[Qtown charger]

H514 affects less than 3,000 vehicles in the USA and probably less than 10,000 worldwide.

Again: Even if only ONE 2023 has tripped the H441 software JLR cannot be sure that any particular vehicle is safe.

Yes, H541 (if applied worldwide) only involves ~10k worldwide. Does LG have 10k spare I-Pace batteries? The reality is that battery replacement on a worldwide scale is not realistic.

See latest development posted by @Ayepace. Apparently JLR agrees with me, even if others here don't.

 

[rcomeau]

Final resolution: buybacks.

"The issue was further reviewed at JLR’s RDC on November 11, 2024, where it was agreed that in the interest of timely resolution for customers, the permanent remedy for the defect in these vehicles is to reacquire affected vehicles. These vehicles will be held in the control of JLR until further notice."

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See: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V633-5344.PDF

What are the odds this expanding to vehicles outside the US? What so you think our resale values are now that it is clear ALL 2019 vehicles are suspect?

 

[New2EV]

Final resolution: buybacks.

"The issue was further reviewed at JLR’s RDC on November 11, 2024, where it was agreed that in the interest of timely resolution for customers, the permanent remedy for the defect in these vehicles is to reacquire affected vehicles. These vehicles will be held in the control of JLR until further notice."

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See: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V633-5344.PDF

Wow, Thanks for the info Ayepace. So, I wonder what the timeline for this will be? In my opinion, jaguar would be smart to offer killer deals for current owners to trade into a 2024 Ipace and clear out the last of the inventory. I do not know how this works because I have not owned a reacquired vehicle via a defect. I can say that when we had Lemon Law vehicles at the Ford dealer, it was a 6 month ordeal and no one was really all that satisfied. I wonder how they will determine the amount much each Ipace is worth.

 

[dernotte]

From what I remember, 160.000 Bolt EV have been considered for battery replacement, and a good amount of those got a new battery. This cost GM 2B$, and 1.9B$ out of it has been paid by LG. What is 10.000 battery in this context ? 24.000 taycan are waiting in line for a resolution as well. So JLR is a small player here, and number are not high number in a worldwide context.

 

[Qtown charger]

From what I remember, 160.000 Bolt EV have been considered for battery replacement, and a good amount of those got a new battery.

Eventually.

Patience seems to be running thin within this forum.

 

[rcomeau]

Eventually.

Patience seems to be running thin within this forum.

Many of these cars are hitting the age of being out of warranty and needing some expensive service. Every module (every black box with wires) costs thousands and seem to fail regularly. I had a bunch of battery management modules replaced under warranty (some multiple times) when the batteries died and now 2.5 years later (with 1/3 of that sitting in the lot for other repairs), the aux battery is throwing errors and they want to replace and modules again ($1500 is the latest guess) at the same time. If the car will be declared "dead" and needing to be bought back (so trade-in value would be zero outside a buyback scenario), any investment in parts now is a questionable investment. Having all this uncertainly over tens of thousands of $ is a bit frustrating, so yes, many of us are wearing thin on the patience front.

 

[rcomeau]

From what I remember, 160.000 Bolt EV have been considered for battery replacement, and a good amount of those got a new battery. This cost GM 2B$, and 1.9B$ out of it has been paid by LG. What is 10.000 battery in this context ? 24.000 taycan are waiting in line for a resolution as well. So JLR is a small player here, and number are not high number in a worldwide context.

So does that mean it is easy for JLR and LG to address it in a timely manner, or that we have little clout in the grand scheme of tings so we will be last in line for crumbs?

 

[New2EV]

Truthfully I hate the thought of my car being crushed after all the care I’ve taken with it. I would rather Jaguar trade me into a newer model than abandon the brand. However, I will be going to a different dealer from now on.

 

[New2EV]

By the way, which years still have all the options my 2019 have? I see the 23 models lost the passenger seat memory. That is one option I liked. The auto park I never use so I don't care about it. Also, what about the rear zone a/c system? Is that something removed in later models?

 

[waja]

I feel like I am one of 2019 owners who have very little problems with my February built I-Pace. I've had some warranty repairs; Front Wiring Harness Replaced, TCU replaced, door handle replaced, door handle cover replaced. The TCU was replaced after a software update locked up the TCU. The replacement TCU came with 3 years of SiriusXM. I also replaced one ABS wheel sensor lead that became disconnected and was dragging on the ground. Only real complaint I have is that Spotify doesn't work if the car can't login to JLR first. 12v batteries also still look OK - 12.67v and 12.7v. I've only used DC charging 15 times over the past 5+ years. I routinely charge to 100% and hardly go below 50%. I had 5 years of 0% full financing and was really hoping to not have payments for another 3 years or so.

 

[New2EV]

I feel like I am one of 2019 owners who have very little problems with my February built I-Pace. I've had some warranty repairs; Front Wiring Harness Replaced, TCU replaced, door handle replaced, door handle cover replaced. The TCU was replaced after a software update locked up the TCU. The replacement TCU came with 3 years of SiriusXM. I also replaced one ABS wheel sensor lead that became disconnected and was dragging on the ground. Only real complaint I have is that Spotify doesn't work if the car can't login to JLR first. 12v batteries also still look OK - 12.67v and 12.7v. I've only used DC charging 15 times over the past 5+ years. I routinely charge to 100% and hardly go below 50%. I had 5 years of 0% full financing and was really hoping to not have payments for another 3 years or so.

I actually have finally sorted out my ipace. It has been trouble free for the past year. So that’s why it upsets me to think I will have to replace it. The only repair that I worry about in the future is the A/C line issue. Had I known about the A/C lines when they did the harness. I would have paid to have them done then. Oh well I guess it won’t matter if Jaguar buys it back. I really like the car. Especially after it’s been trouble free for a year. But the dealer sucks, the depreciation is atrocious and now worried it has an inherent defect that could burn it to the ground, I guess it could be a good thing they buy it back.

 

[RussianBlueSF]

I feel like I am one of 2019 owners who have very little problems with my February built I-Pace.

Same here. I’ve only had my 2019 for a year, which made it a bargain to buy after steep depreciation. She’s been rock solid as a daily driver with the sole exception of the HV battery defect; the only thing I’ve had to do is replace the 12V batteries. Mine does have the TBF after H414, which limits me to 72% charge, but ~160mi range works fine for my DD needs. (We have another vehicle for the occasional road trip.) Factory warranty only just expired last month.

I had 5 years of 0% full financing and was really hoping to not have payments for another 3 years or so.

Likewise, not having payments was a big part of my strategy. I could certainly do worse than trade for a 2024, but at a cost, of course.

 

[New2EV]

So I did a recall vin search.
Repair Description As referenced in the previous letter, your vehicle will, as an interimcondition, have the maximum state of charge altered to 80%. This will protect your vehicle until the re-purchase is complete. The maximum driving range of your vehicle will be reduced accordingly. There will be no charge to owners for this repair.Separately, Jaguar will reach out to you and seek to work with you to arrange the re-purchase of your vehicle,with the aim of completing this as quickly as possible.

So there is the answer. Now I wait.

 

[Vandy2020]

Bummer,
I have a certified 2019 HSE and my warranty is good until November 2025. I was hoping on holding onto it until at least then or even longer if they replaced the battery.