[Ayepace]

I read today that LG is building 2 battery plants in the US soon. One of them will make big cylindrical cells. & one of them will make batteries for Mach Es. They did not mention if this Ford supporting plant will be making the contained pouch cells or cylindrical cells.

Cylindrical cell batteries are going to Rivian for the R2.

 

[Ayepace]

Second recall letter received stating software available and appointments can be made.

 

[Trielectric]

Second recall letter received stating software available and appointments can be made.

Let us know what they give you for a peak, if you get it. If I was not tripped to 72% now, I would not get it!

 

[Ayepace]

Let us know what they give you for a peak, if you get it. If I was not tripped to 72% now, I would not get it!

See post #116 in this thread.

 

[Ayepace]

Jaguar version of second letter filed with NHTSA.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RIONL-24V633-7017.pdf

 

[Ipacelawsuit]

I am currently talking to lawyers. They have jerked me around for so long about a buyback of our 2019 first edition which has been a nightmare just to reject again. They told me there are no escalation points at this point. I am talking to lawyers anyone interested in joining the lawsuit let me know.

 

[SoFloJag]

I got a letter from Jaguar today which indicates the H514 resolution is a software update.

 

[New2EV]

I got the letter and stopped by the dealer to make an appointment. I don’t want to have it done. But I know if I don’t have the recall performed and something happens. It is likely insurance will deny because I was negligent. I can’t take that chance. It’s going to suck for the range to drop but oh well.

 

[MarciHaskell]

Mine 2019 HSC was neutered yesterday. I charged it last night...to 80% and the range was a whopping 206 miles. I'm soooo happy at the moment.

My only charges to 80% which is only 176 miles after they “neutered” it under the guise of replacing a battery module that they said was “lucky for me still under warranty.” Now I have a 176 max miles car. What should I do?

 

[Ayepace]

@MarciHaskell
It is BS that replacing the battery module is a warranty claim. The replacement was required by recall H441.
They appear to have installed the update for H514. Another update (recall?) will occur when "a permanent solution" is available. You have to wait until then or sell/trade the vehicle as-is.

Per the recall letter:

 

[MobiusPizza]

@MarciHaskell
It is BS that replacing the battery module is a warranty claim. The replacement was required by recall H441.
They appear to have installed the update for H514. Another update (recall?) will occur when "a permanent solution" is available. You have to wait until then or sell/trade the vehicle as-is.

Per the recall letter:
View attachment 8851

Also, the HV battery is covered by 8 years, even the oldest I-pace will qualify

 

[Kwaze]

Quick question: has anyone, whose charge is limited to 80%, gone on to get a traction battery error (bad module detected)? Meaning has any bad cell ever been detected with the car’s state of charge below 80%? Just curious.

So I had the older software update that would limit the charge to 80% IF it detected a bad cell. I had been going about just fine with the ability to charge to 100% for a few months after that update. Then the traction battery error showed up and the car limited the charge to 80%. So it's been with the dealer for just under 3 weeks now while I drive a gas loaner. They let me know that the newer recall came through and they are going to update the software to always limit charging to 80%. Kind of stinks because the range has always been low with this car anyway, and now I have no reason to believe they will find a fix for a 5 year old car. I'm thinking we'll be limited to 80% max charging for the remainder of the vehicle life, which really hurts resale value.

 

[Ayepace]

Also, the HV battery is covered by 8 years, even the oldest I-pace will qualify

This has been covered many times. That is only for performance dropping below 70% capacity. It does not cover defects.

 

[Ipacelawsuit]

I got a letter from Jaguar today which indicates the H514 resolution is a software update.

are they saying the resolution is the current software update where it cant fully charge or there is another update

 

[pbmusic]

Officially the 80% charging limit is an interim solution, and a permanent solution is being developed. Around here we're all trying to read tea leaves to assess the likelihood that a permanent solution actually manifests, versus Jaguar just trying to get all this exposure off the books some other way (payoffs, buybacks, or just plain ghosting).

 

[New2EV]

With Jaguar stopping production of all vehicles, it makes me wonder if we will get resolution to this problem. I am surprised they just don’t buy the vehicles back. Hopefully they will not go bankrupt before we get a fix. Since Land Rover is financially stable I’m assuming that won’t happen unless they sell off the brand. I’m not sure if they can do something like “old GM” vs “NEW GM” as far a liability. Either way, I’m disappointed. I wish Jaguar would have pushed forward with the IPace. If they wanted to move upmarket as far as price, use the IPace as entry level Jaguar and set model above it. But that does require putting resources into updates.

 

[Qtown charger]

With Jaguar stopping production of all vehicles, it makes me wonder if we will get resolution to this problem. I am surprised they just don’t buy the vehicles back....

We are not all business executives, but a quick look at their 2023 financials should suggest that this is not a practical/feasible solution for >70k cars sold at >£70k each (70,000 x 70,000 =~5billion £) especially when the problem was caused by LG and not JLR.

 

[New2EV]

We are not all business executives, but a quick look at their 2023 financials should suggest that this is not a practical/feasible solution for >70k cars sold at >£70k each (70,000 x 70,000 =~5billion £) especially when the problem was caused by LG and not JLR.

I didn’t think they sold over 60k of them since 2018. Plus, deprecation is so great they would probably would not offer more than 30k on older models.

 

[rcomeau]

So I had the older software update that would limit the charge to 80% IF it detected a bad cell. I had been going about just fine with the ability to charge to 100% for a few months after that update. Then the traction battery error showed up and the car limited the charge to 80%. So it's been with the dealer for just under 3 weeks now while I drive a gas loaner. They let me know that the newer recall came through and they are going to update the software to always limit charging to 80%. Kind of stinks because the range has always been low with this car anyway, and now I have no reason to believe they will find a fix for a 5 year old car. I'm thinking we'll be limited to 80% max charging for the remainder of the vehicle life, which really hurts resale value.

Hi,

I assume you meant that the charge was limited to 72% when it detected a bad module and now the new, parallel recall will limit youth 80% even after the module is replaced. You are sort of lucky tha you had the module replaced before the newer recall. I don't think they will replace individual modules on cars where the whole pack is now questionable (has anyone had a cell replaced after H514 was applied?).

As for resale value, I am emotionally preparing for the car to have zero value when I decide to swap. I've had a good summer/fall, so the urgency in replacement has subsided somewhat. I did see my first Macan EV on the road a couple of days ago. When I feel ok with a zero trade in value and can stomach another 100k+ car purchase, I'll ave a look.

 

[joefly78]

Guys, just had my H514 update done today. I guess that means I'm limited to 80% charge. However, I can't seem to find if it's now safe to charge indoors? Anyone know?