[Snowflake]

Interesting. That theory does make sense IMO.

My car has the aptly named “BS” update (how long ago did all this BS begin?) and still doesn’t appear on Topix as having any outstanding recalls, yet persists in giving me the TBF alert and limiting charge to 72%. Still holding off calling the dealer for the moment but pondering whether it’s a “recall” service appointment. Almost a philosophical question (if a car needs recall service, but isn’t listed for any open recalls… if a tree falls in the forest, etc.)

rBSf?

 

[RussianBlueSF]

If your car is throwing the TBF message, then you are expected to get a diagnosis. I assume you had at last one of the recalls (H441 and when applicable, a later one) done and that recall software is doing its job in notifying you it detected one or more bad cells. This won't show up on TOPIX since it has no way of knowing if you have a bad cell, and if the recall software was done, then you have no new recall notices. If you think you car is among the few that are part of this new recall that might end up with a whole new battery then there is an argument to waiting, but otherwise, there is no argument to waiting as the only solution today is for you to have the flagged cells replaced, unless you prefer being limited to 72% capacity .

Sounds right. I’m pretty certain it had the H441 in December (along with scheduled 42K mi service, new tires, etc. as reported in the Carfax) just weeks before I bought the car. Assuming that was done correctly, it makes sense the VIN wouldn’t show up for any subsequent recalls.

Presumably the H441 software has been doing its job, observed some defective HV battery modules, and when I take the cat to the vet they’ll determine which ones need replacing. I just hope I don’t have to be without her for too long; I’ve gotten very attached already.

 

[Ayepace]

H484 remedy: JLR will replace the traction battery or buy back the car.

 

[Vinsuz]

“Subject to market availability”. Sounds like a buyback to me. I’m so torn.

 

[rcomeau]

H484 remedy: JLR will replace the traction battery or buy back the car.

The VIN range seems a bit restrictive given how many of us outside that VIN range have experienced the exact same multi-module failures. Not sure what difference those dates make in the manufacturing process.

 

[Vinsuz]

Not sure what difference those dates make in the manufacturing process.

“Battery packs manufactured between 1 March 2018 and 31 May 2018 are exposed to multiple technical issues that have shown to contribute to an elevated risk of thermal overload. The packs from this period have a greater propensity for short circuits in the battery cells which generates heat build-up and will, where the battery state of charge (SOC) is greater than circa 85% trigger thermal overload.”

So maybe there are more than a “few” defective modules in these packs like those outside the range? I had two replaced in ‘22 and H441 wasn’t installed more than a few days before I got the TBF. Stupidly, I avoided having H441 installed because I didn’t want it to limit my charge. It was only after JLR customer service called that I finally took it in. It’s almost like they knew my car was a ticking time bomb.

I had always charged to 100% (level 2) — in the garage that sits directly below my living room, which is directly below my son’s bedroom. This is unsettling.

 

[rcomeau]

“Battery packs manufactured between 1 March 2018 and 31 May 2018 are exposed to multiple technical issues that have shown to contribute to an elevated risk of thermal overload. The packs from this period have a greater propensity for short circuits in the battery cells which generates heat build-up and will, where the battery state of charge (SOC) is greater than circa 85% trigger thermal overload.”

So maybe there are more than a “few” defective modules in these packs like those outside the range? I had two replaced in ‘22 and H441 wasn’t installed more than a few days before I got the TBF. Stupidly, I avoided having H441 installed because I didn’t want it to limit my charge. It was only after JLR customer service called that I finally took it in. It’s almost like they knew my car was a ticking time bomb.

I had always charged to 100% (level 2) — in the garage that sits directly below my living room, which is directly below my son’s bedroom. This is unsettling.

I did not intend to devalue the recall, just wondering why it was so restrictive. I also had 2 packs identified as bad and getting replaced, so presumably there are other issues with the packs. Was there a statistically significant higher number of issues with the packs that are within the vin range? If a pack made a week after those dates (using presumably a better manufacturing method that is thought to reduce risk) has the same failure rate, then there is an argument that whatever their criteria for the VIN range was, it might not have been the right one.

 

[Vinsuz]

I did not intend to devalue the recall, just wondering why it was so restrictive. I also had 2 packs identified as bad and getting replaced, so presumably there are other issues with the packs. Was there a statistically significant higher number of issues with the packs that are within the vin range? If a pack made a week after those dates (using presumably a better manufacturing method that is thought to reduce risk) has the same failure rate, then there is an argument that whatever their criteria for the VIN range was, it might not have been the right one.

I get it. So if you’re outside the range you’re not quite at as much risk of thermal overload? Is it more than just a pouch issue?

 

[suburban_gorilla]

whelp,

I just ran my VIN thru TOPIX right this minute and my car has been caught up in this H484 campaign.

I haven't gotten any emails or calls from anyone. I just looked myself and lo and behold.

I'm not sure what this means but I'll keep you all posted.

WISH ME LUCK!

edit: Topix says my model is also "X590" as others have reported.

 

[Vinsuz]

whelp,

I just ran my VIN thru TOPIX right this minute and my car has been caught up in this H484 campaign.

I haven't gotten any emails or calls from anyone. I just looked myself and lo and behold.

I'm not sure what this means but I'll keep you all posted.

WISH ME LUCK!

edit: Topix says my model is also "X590" as others have reported.

It means either a new battery or a buyback. We probably won’t hear anything until the end of April. See the pdf a few posts up.

 

[rcomeau]

whelp,

I just ran my VIN thru TOPIX right this minute and my car has been caught up in this H484 campaign.

I haven't gotten any emails or calls from anyone. I just looked myself and lo and behold.

I'm not sure what this means but I'll keep you all posted.

WISH ME LUCK!

edit: Topix says my model is also "X590" as others have reported.

Have you checked Topix before? Was your VIN in the official range?

 

[RussianBlueSF]

H484 remedy: JLR will replace the traction battery or buy back the car.

So to summarize, if I understand correctly, those of us whose unlucky cats were built during the relevant period in June-Oct. 2018 and fall into the specified VIN range fit into one of four categories:

1. H484 recall: Remedy is complete HV battery replacement or buyback (reportedly 258 units)

2. Traction battery fault message, throwing OBD code P1B48-00, temporarily limited to 72% charge; take to dealer for diagnosis and replacement of individual defective battery module(s) <— (this is me)

3. Like #2 above, but already had modules replaced; now drives fine “like a Jaguar” with no alerts or codes

4. None of the above, never had an issue (setting aside 12V battery problems); dodged a bullet

Does this sound right to the I-Pace brain trust here? Am I missing anybody?

 

[Trielectric]

So to summarize, if I understand correctly, those of us whose unlucky cats were built during the relevant period in June-Oct. 2018 and fall into the specified VIN range fit into one of four categories:

My Bad!

 

[Ayepace]

Batteries made March-May 2018 tracked to assembly into cars made Jun 6-Oct 31 2018 qualify.

A battery made in June 2018 put into a car made in October 2018 would not qualify.

 

[suburban_gorilla]

Have you checked Topix before? Was your VIN in the official range?

Yes. I ran my VIN thru TOPIX. My car has been recalled. I called JLR N/A to confirm and they confirmed it. They said get it to a dealer "immediately." They also asked if I got any emails, calls or letters and I said no. I was checking this forum and decided to run my VIN thru TOPIX for a lark.

 

[suburban_gorilla]

It means either a new battery or a buyback. We probably won’t hear anything until the end of April. See the pdf a few posts up.

I'm obviously a little stressed about it and I am speculating wildly at this point. I skimmed the other posts on this and downloaded the PDF posted by Ayepace in connection with the recall to read it carefully. Clearly I only have two options.

I am going to play dumb and see what they say about what my options are. I can't imagine they will give me a good price on the buyback and I feel there is basically no way they'll make me whole. I doubt the buyback process will be easy so I am assuming I'm going to take an L on this, it just depends on how much.

In any event I'd prefer to keep my car - I own it free and clear and I bought extended CPO warranty on it... plus I love the car and there isn't anything else on the market worth switching for at this point in my view. I'll need to assess the timelines for a new HV battery, if that is in the offing but I'd rather not drive a sh!tty rental for months. Ideal case, I'll get another lightly used CPO I-Pace just like my current car.

I'm really worried that once the dealer gets their hands on it I'll never see her again because I don't see them letting me keep it in the interim while I wait for a solution. We shall see and I'll report back.

 

[suburban_gorilla]

So to summarize, if I understand correctly, those of us whose unlucky cats were built during the relevant period in June-Oct. 2018 and fall into the specified VIN range fit into one of four categories:

1. H484 recall: Remedy is complete HV battery replacement or buyback (reportedly 258 units)

2. Traction battery fault message, throwing OBD code P1B48-00, temporarily limited to 72% charge; take to dealer for diagnosis and replacement of individual defective battery module(s) <— (this is me)

3. Like #2 above, but already had modules replaced; now drives fine “like a Jaguar” with no alerts or codes

4. None of the above, never had an issue (setting aside 12V battery problems); dodged a bullet

Does this sound right to the I-Pace brain trust here? Am I missing anybody?

so I have had all of these crop up. my car has two AUX batteries and I replaced those late last summer because they were near dead and the car was acting crazy. I also had the traction battery fault, which was successfully repaired and the car has been back to normal since with no issues. That issue started in November '23 and it took until late January '24 for it to be fixed. Two months of trouble and problem free motoring later, now this. The H484.

to be clear I don't view the 12v issue as a "problem" or an issue with the car and I disagree with others that this is an issue. The aux batteries have a life span the same way a conventional car does. When mine went, they were not covered under warranty so that was a $1400 hit as my car has two and each one is around 600 to 700 bucks. I thought of doing the swap myself but I chickened out for fear of messing something up.

 

[Snowflake]

Frustrating.

 

[LinusGBG]

If we are bought out by Jag, who here will buy a second i-Pace?

 

[Qtown charger]

If we are bought out by Jag, who here will buy a second i-Pace?

Frankly, I'd prefer a new battery. Nothing wrong with my FE,except battery issues.