I just got the H441 error and am restricted to 72% charging. My VIN is just below the bottom of this range.

 

Even with H441 software update, I never had any errors and the active recall campaign search shows no outstanding issues. My VIN is also just within the range of VINs shown.
This 484 sounds just like H441, related to cell manufacturing issues. What are the differences?

 

I think that enough modules have been analysed, especially cars that have had more than one that H441 could identify more and more. Enough data to narrow it down to a specific batch. So could be a full battery pack change will have to done for this group.

 

Maybe a dumb question here, but is the relevant range only the last few digits (Fxxxxx)? My VIN ends in K1F63610 which I take to mean falls squarely within the range.

Considering I only just bought the (heavily depreciated) car, if they want to give me a whole new battery pack for a 4.5 year old vehicle at this point, I guess I won't complain. 🤷‍♂️

 

Good question actually. Looking up at Edmunds what the VIN digits mean (and taking the start VIN, SADHA2A11K1F60746 as an example), SAD is Jaguar, HA2A11 is a model descriptor, the next (K) is the model year and the last ones are numerical identifier. I am not sure if HA2A1 refer to a specific model of I-Pace, but given they all have the same battery, I am not sure if having a different vehicle model code makes a difference, or if K1F60746-L1F76789 is the important bit (if it is, then I am in the range as well),. If it is, then it will be "interesting". If you are in that range and had cells replaced, will this be a new additional thing, or will the cell replacement already done suffice (I doubt JLR know the answer yet)...

BTW, typing a VIN from the notice into a recall search does not yield anything so it may have not been entered yet?

 

It sounds more like they identified a specific manufacturing step that they then changed at x o'clock on a specific date that they trace to an additional risk. I am outside that range (I think) and I had 2 failed modules (the first one was the reason for me bringing in the car back in November) and the second they observed while moving the car to the parking while waiting for other unrelated parts to arrive). I think the whole thing is still very fluid in them trying to figure out which cells in which cars are having issues. This may be with us for a while.

 

I must not be reading this right. Batteries manufactured for 3 months (March 1, 2018 - May 31, 2018) can affect this many vehicles. Is it even possible that a 2020 I-Pace would have a battery pack manufactured in 2018?

 

I found #8 very strange too: six to eighteen months stock in hand is neither just-in-time nor economically sound for such high value components!

 

Have you had any modules replaced? It could be that faulty modules returned have been identified to a batch in that car.

 

I’m within the range of VINs and had a battery module replaced early February.

So far Topix is not showing that I need H484

 

I think the manufacturing of the cells during this period which were then used to assemble modules and then batteries.

 

A V3 doc was released today but I don't have a copy. This is clearly an evolving event and could take some time before all is known.

 

Did you have a comment about our VIN question? The recall gives a VIN range with a specific I-Pace model code (HA2A1), by many of us have a different model code (mine is, for example, HD2S14) but the manufacture date code and sequential part of the VIN would imply it likely used that battery (all models are identical as far as the battery is concerned)?

I will likely get my car back in a week (it will have been 17-18 weeks) with 2 modules replaced (plus steering rack and front motor). If, after all that, I am restricted for an indefinite amount of time, it would really, really suck.

 

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S, SE, and HSE/FE models could be reflected. I don't know if this decoder will include Canada cars but you can try. Plug in VIN, click decode VIN then "show all vehicle details" or "export to PDF". Note that this is focused on safety related features no all features such as which sound system is in the car.

The K = 2019, L = 2020. All I-pace will have 1 following that to designate Graz, Austria assembly plant. Next 6 are a manufacturing sequence number of JLR production within the model year. It is unlikely to be sequential for all I-pace coming off the assembly line. Most recalls include the "non-sequential" disclaimer when a range is specified.

We know some but not all pouches have defects. The pouches are then put in cell modules. Cell modules are put in traction battery assemblies. JLR and LGES are probably trying to tack pouches to cell modules to battery assembly to individual cars. One could expect handling between the stages (such as loading and unloading shipments) could mix them up like shuffling cards. However bar/QR codes used to track parts should give them an audit trail of which parts landed up in which cars.

 

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Welcome to VIN Decoding :: provided by vPIC

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S, SE, and HSE/FE models could be reflected. I don't know if this decoder will include Canada cars but you can try. Plug in VIN, click decode VIN then "show all vehicle details" or "export to PDF". Note that this is focused on safety related features no all features such as which sound system is in the car.

The K = 2019, L = 2020. All I-pace will have 1 following that to designate Graz, Austria assembly plant. Next 6 are a manufacturing sequence number of JLR production within the model year. It is unlikely to be sequential for all I-pace coming off the assembly line. Most recalls include the "non-sequential" disclaimer when a range is specified.

We know some but not all pouches have defects. The pouches are then put in cell modules. Cell modules are put in traction battery assemblies. JLR and LGES are probably trying to tack pouches to cell modules to battery assembly to individual cars. One could expect handling between the stages (such as loading and unloading shipments) could mix them up like shuffling cards. However bar/QR codes used to track parts should give them an audit trail of which parts landed up in which cars.

Thanks.. It did not occur to me that the model code might also have country of destination encoded, but that makes some sense as they may be some subtle (or not so subtle) differences to comply to local regs. I don' t think any are in the system yet as even typing the VIN form the recall did not show a hit. We'll see where this goes...

 

Such tracking pouches-to-modules-to-battery packs-to-vehicles assumes that they know exactly which pouches were defective prior to module assembly? Surely if they knew this already they could have avoided the H441, repair, H459/H471, repair, repeat cycle and launched a very targeted recall last year.

 

They should be able to do the diagnosis and order parts in relatively short order, not holding on to the car for months.

This all feels weird to me, like the whole airbag recall fiasco. 5 cars and no recalls for the airbags. So far, our I-Pace hasn't gotten an error and isn't in the VIN range.

 

My battery repair was complicated by a steering issue which grew into a front motor issue. Had it been just the batteries, I would have gotten it a few weeks ago for maybe a day before it would have thrown a second battery warning (the second one happened while they were test driving after the steering repair). Maybe next week will be a good week.

 

nevermind

 

It seems my earlier post was premature, I now have consistent traction battery fault message.

For those in the US, how long did it take the dealer to fix your previous H441 battery issue? Did they replace just some of the modules?

 

I've been waiting well over a month for one module in Santa Monica. But they did rent me a Volvo XC40 Recharge, so I'm being patient so far.

 

@Brendon do you have access to v3?

 

I don't have Topix access unfortunately; I just pay for a 1 hour subscription on occassion.

 

My 2019 had one module replaced late last year, then one in early February. Just had the battery fault message come up AGAIN and this time 3 more modules are showing bad specs… H484 comes up in Topix for the VIN. Dealer can’t say what they will do about it. I want a brand new battery of course…

 

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! My VIN (…HD2S14K1…) is in the H484 campaign. I had a module replaced in ‘22 and was flagged for another by H441 last month. Maybe this explains why engineering told my service advisor not to order parts. I hope they just suck it up and give us new batteries like they did for the Bolt recall.

As an aside, Topix says my model is X590.

 

Maybe next week will be a good week.

 

H484v3 12 March adds a line ‘that for affected VINs no battery cells are to be replaced at this time.’

So will it be some plan to identify all the risky modules and replace or a complete battery. I have restricted charge to 75% and will see if range is better that H441 72%.

 

I have restricted charge to 75% and will see if range is better that H441 72%.

Can you elaborate? Have you not had the H441 recall installed?

 

H484v3 notice to dealers

 

It has been installed and 2 visits to the dealer and 2 modules replaced. As mine is on TOPIx by VIN I have to limit charge to 75% so H441 will not trip again and I won’t have a fire.

 

My VIN falls in the defined range but doesn’t show up on Topix for a recall (yet). Given the 85% figure that appears in that bulletin, I guess I’m glad the H441 software is limiting me to 72% charge for now to stay on the safe side.

Meanwhile the plan is to continue driving her like a Jaguar, er, “with caution” and cross fingers for a whole new HV battery when the time comes. 🤷‍♂️

 

Just speculating here. What does a new battery cost? Given that our cars are approaching 5 or more years old, will it come to the point where it will be cheaper to offer a buyout?

 

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As LG are paying all costs the battery cost does not come me into it. All the dealers are making money on the labour, the hire car companies are making money on the courtesy cars. As you cars not been driven your insurance company is on a reduced risk.

How many batteries under 1000 probably.