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Just got a notification from carfax that a recall was launched for my I-Pace--I will ping my dealer when I get a moment:

05/17/2019
Manufacturer Safety recall issued
NHTSA #19V351
Recall #H213
FAILED REGEN BRAKING
Status: Launched
 

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Just got a notification from carfax that a recall was launched for my I-Pace--I will ping my dealer when I get a moment:

05/17/2019
Manufacturer Safety recall issued
NHTSA #19V351
Recall #H213
FAILED REGEN BRAKING
Status: Launched
https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls
Enter in your VIN

It says at the end:
Remedy
Jaguar will notify owners, and authorized repairers will update the vehicle with the latest software. There will be no charge to owners for this repair.

Since this was registered on May 9, Jaguar will need time to work up a remedy. My VIN shows that my car is part of the recall or remedy request.
 

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I did have regen either fail completely or drastically reduce its effectiveness last week in the middle of a drive. but was working again after I parked and hopped in the car later that day. not sure if that has anything to do with this.


However, when they resolve this, it will be nice to get the software updated(haven't gotten an OTA push yet) as well as a few other very minor issues that aren't worth making a special trip for.
 

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I will be bringing my I-pace in for the first service next week.
Will show this to service writer, but doubt they will have a update by then.
I can let you know.
:frown2:
 

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Thank you for posting this!

I have not had a single regen failure in >3000 miles (knock on wood) but my VIN is part of this.

A secondary benefit is that I/we will get to go to the dealer and engage them in a personal conversation about software updates. I know they're at the mercy of JLR corporate but I hope that we'll at least get a candid take from them about what the future may hold. Which may not be much, but they (the dealers) know more than I do at this point, so it'll be good to understand their take.
 

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Thank you for posting this!

I have not had a single regen failure in >3000 miles (knock on wood) but my VIN is part of this.

A secondary benefit is that I/we will get to go to the dealer and engage them in a personal conversation about software updates. I know they're at the mercy of JLR corporate but I hope that we'll at least get a candid take from them about what the future may hold. Which may not be much, but they (the dealers) know more than I do at this point, so it'll be good to understand their take.
I was out at Livermore this morning dropping off my car to have a few things looked at (brake pedal squawks, H193 software update, getting the lack of 100kw charging on record in case it comes down to it later this year). I txt'd my advisor when I got home about this recall, but no response yet. I suspect nothing for a few weeks.
 

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Thanks wonder what the symptoms are?

A concern has been identified on certain 2019 Model Year I-PACE Electric vehicles where in the event of electrical regenerative brake system failure, the time to achieve the required compensation from the initial brake request does not meet the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards FMVSS 135 S 5.1.3 Regenerative Braking Systems.

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The driver will experience a momentary reduction of deceleration at the moment of loss of electrical regenerative braking until the foundation brakes function. This concern does not impact the foundation braking functionality. Vehicles in this condition do not meet the regulated requirement. Stopping distance may be extended and could increase the risk of a crash.
 

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Affected markets: North America

2019 F60202
2020 F79239

H213NAS1 - Non-Compliance Recall: Regenerative Braking System Non-compliance

SITUATION:

A potential issue has been identified on certain Jaguar vehicles within the listed Affected Vehicle Range where, in the event of a failure of the electrical regenerative braking system, the time to achieve the required compensation from the initial brake request does not meet the requirements of Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) 135 S5.1.3 (Regenerative Braking Systems) and Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) 135 S5.1.3 (Regenerative Braking Systems).

The driver will experience a momentary reduction of deceleration at the moment of loss of electrical regenerative braking until the foundation brakes function. This concern does not impact the foundation braking functionality.
Vehicles in this condition do not meet the regulated requirement. Stopping distance may be extended and could increase the risk of a crash.

ACTION:

Retailers are required to HOLD affected new vehicles that are within your control and refrain from releasing the vehicles for new vehicle sale pending completion of the procedure(s) detailed in this Technical Bulletin. Unsold vehicles should have this performed as part of the Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) process but must have it completed prior to vehicle handover to the customer.

Affected vehicles already in the hands of customers should be updated at the next available opportunity.
 

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I got this update last Friday
Not 100 % sure but it feels I have a better brake feel now.
More linear response when braking than before.



I got it at my dealer together with other updates so don’t know if OTA works for me
 

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How will you tell? The regen braking is pretty dire in this EV.
Only the GM Bolt seems to have as much if not more Regen than the I-Pace.

Both have diminished regen at 100% SOC, as do Teslas.
 

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according to jaguar, this has never been reported to have happened in the wild. What exactly is it? When you're using regen and that fails for some reason, if you hit the brake it will take a few tenths of a second longer than it should to activate the physical brake? do i have that right?
 

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Yes, it seems like abundance of caution to me. If driver has become accustomed to regen being there as a part of the braking, it will take a moment for driver to realize to push harder on the brake pedal, or move foot the the brake pedal for a driver with the habit of one-foot driving.

I appreciate JLR doing this instead of having a feature where if it doesn't work and the car runs into an object, under objects, or over people resulting in damage, injuries and deaths, they'd just blame the driver for not being attentive, insufficient reflexes, or foolishly using the feature as it has been touted to work (although it wasn't guaranteed to work in all situations). "Model T" come to mind, anyone?
 

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Somewhat unrelated, but of interest... I was experimenting with 'hypermiling' by punching up "N" (Neutral) while exiting the freeway (so I could truly 'coast' to the light nearly half a mile away without trying to balance Power and Charge on the accelerator). Discovered that Regen DOES NOT function when the car is in neutral - braking did NOT 'charge' the car at all. I'm ambivalent about it, but just thought others might want to know. I assume this was intended, but curious if anyone can offer a rationale? Should regen be engaged when braking while in Neutral? Obviously the brakes still worked in Neutral. FYI, this was before I heard about the recall but I don't think it (recall) has any bearing on this issue.
 

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I would expect the motors to be electrically inactive (neutral) in N. Neutral should allow the car to be pushed/pulled without causing any power drain or generation.
 
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