[I-Sprint]

We all know that these batteries will be degrading over time as they all do. We don't know what the rate of decrease will be as of yet, but when it comes time for replacement, do you think you'll still have your I-Pace?

Aside from that, does anyone know where the battery is located for the I-Pace? I'm pretty sure no one's really going to know the removal process as of yet, but hopefully if we get cutaways and all of that good stuff, we can get an idea. Not like any of us will do it ourselves but it'll be good to see what's needed.

 

[PinkJaguar]

We honestly have no idea how the battery will be mounted. Maybe it'll be similar to the Chevrolet Bolt where they insert the battery to the fully painted chassis from the bottom and bolt it on. It shouldn't be too hard of a process.

As for degradation, I think the a general number is around 40% in an 8 year period. But that doesn't always happen as it can be dependent on how many times you charge the battery and how much.

 

[I-Sprint]

Considering this is all fresh to me, do you know of what proper charging etiquette generally is?

 

[PinkJaguar]

Some claim that charging up to 90% and not fully will reduce battery degradation, but EVs are still relatively new so I can't claim that this is fact. Also dependent on the battery supplier, cooling system, etc.

The largest pool of data we have is probably from Tesla and their Model S shows a loss of capacity of around 5% for the first 50,000 miles (100,000 km). After that the capacity loss levels off.

 

[I-Sprint]

Isn't that why they have that hill top reserve thing??

That's not that bad of a loss at all though, and I probably won't keep it for anything much longer than that anyhow.

 

[PlaidBeaver]

But the hilltop reserve is a chevy feature right now, would it not be copyright infringement if jaguar does it too? Though I think it should be a standard wit all EVs.

 

[I-Sprint]

Now that's really interesting as I didn't know that. Thanks actually something really smart to have copyrighted because that's a feature that would be extremely helpful for all EVs that have regen capabilities. Helps to preserve the battery and save it from overcharging and what not.

 

[PlaidBeaver]

By the time the battery needs to be replaced, battery costs should be lower than what it is today. I'm the kind of person to own a car and run it into the ground so I may need to replace the battery years down the road, hopefully without costing an arm and a leg.

 

[I-Sprint]

Heard the Model S is currently in the ballpark of $25k or something, but a Tesla representative said $12k presumably after they're big factory gets built or something

 

[J.XAU]

Although this is going to be a while out from now, it might help to look for tax credits we can use. With the rise of battery swaps coming it might be a topic discussed on a federal level. The last thing they need are things like this to discourage folk.

 

[I-Sprint]

Tax credits for battery replacement or tax credits for purchasing? There's a thread on incentives and removal of incentives over here at this link: http://www.i-paceforum.com/forum/562-2018-jaguar-i-pace-ev-purchase-incentives-rebates-tax-credits/1009-incentive-removal.html

 

[Dec]

J.XAU, EVS have been around for at least 100years in one form or another.
The battery technology has changed over recent years to Lithium types, from lead acid typically.
Lithium batteries have been around for at least 25 years.

So we have some history with the batteries and EVs but, and I think this is J.XAU's point, we don't have experience of the general populations use/miss use of them over time and how that use pattern can affected them.
If yo head over to the battery university web page and watch

you'll get a better picture on how to treat your battery.

In essence, I get from this, keep it cool and don't keep it at max charge for extended periods.

 

[PinkJaguar]

The most battery degradation we have when it comes to EVs is from Tesla and their vehicles. Not sure about their charging system and if owners keep it at max charge for extended periods of time, but the average is around 4% degradation for the first 50,000 miles and then it slows down afterwards. depending on how far you drive, battery replacements are years down the road.

 

[I-Sprint]

I think typically leaving it 10% under or something would be the most ideal thing to do in order to utilize some sort of regen and not overcharge the batteries?

But 4% even really isn't that bad after that long. That and if you're considering leasing, you really don't even need to worry about it at all.

 

[PlaidBeaver]

This will be Jaguar's first EV, so we'll have to wait and see what their battery policy will look like; at what point will they replace it, percentage of degradation over 50,000 miles (100,000 km) or a certain amount of years, etc. There's also battery replacement warranty and estimated out of pocked cost for replacement.

 

[I-Sprint]

The Giga Factory is going to be made in partnership with Panasonic, who at the moment makes their batteries for them. I would say it's safe to assume that they have a joint R&D area where they conjure up further development systems.

 

[I-Sprint]

Posted in the wrong thread sorry!

But in regards to this thread:

I'm pretty sure the battery replacement policy and degradation shouldn't be that far off from the EVs we see today though as they're not going to be utilizing any new tech battery? I'm not too knowledgeable on EVs at all so someone correct me if I'm wrong

 

[J.XAU]

Only differences we might see is when to have the battery replaced since I bet how they tune the computer to operate the whole system does play a factor in the batteries life span and how it should be serviced. Much like what you see with the typical engine.