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I'm putting together a previous forum posting stating:

JLR cannot release car until the TSB's have been performed and that includes the front suspension and the fix for the infotainment 'black outs’. There is a HOLD on new builds bound for the US. All of the cars at GA and Baltimore Car Terminal are held up in PORT, meaning they need some corrective actions before they get released to dealers


My I-Pace was built late October and has been "stuck" at port for more than two weeks. One, if not many, service bulletins are holding up the cars from being released. This isnt a good thing for those wanting to get the Electric Car Tax Credit for 2018.



From reading additional forum postings people are mentioned bad seat sensors, bad air handling suspension...regardless something is bad enough for JLR to hold up the cars to not get them sold. See attached image with highlights in yellow and these are the service bulletins since the build date of my car

 

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Does anyone know how to lookup "claimed field service actions" codes? There are two codes that are appearing on the I-Pace:
H159B & H168H

 

[BeachCliff]

Mixed feelings about all of this. Our car has one been at the port for 3 weeks, and I would very much like to take delivery by X-Mas. On the other hand, I would also prefer to have as many of the bugs worked out as possible before taking delivery. It would just be much easier to endure the wait if we had a reasonable estimate as to when the cars will indeed be released to our respective dealers.

 

[Pseudonym]

I'd rather JLR does the fixes themselves at a staging center(which is why I assume they hold them at the port) than having a tech from a dealer who has little/no experience working on an i-pace mess with mine for his first go around.

 

[WattAJag]

I'm fine with waiting for my car to be "right", but I want my dang tax credit. I already paid for my first I-Pace on 11/26 (that died) - but now may not get delivery of my replacement before 12/31. But, the dealer still has my money - it was easier and I didn't care (what am I going to do - put it in the stock market?!!). I hope I can rely on the incoming House of Representatives to stop any attempt to drop the tax credit, but I'd be happier getting the money back in 3 months than 15.

 

[sciencegeek]

I thought you were getting both

 

[WattAJag]

The first sale was "annulled". So, at this time, I don't own a car. They have my trade, and cash, and an orange FE that doesn't move without twerking.

But, I think I have to have a 2018 registration to write it off my taxes. I wonder if the sale contract would suffice?

(Note: I at least have a loaner base-model Discovery.)

 

[sciencegeek]

You took possession and paid for it; the fact that they took it back right away because of warranty and will be replacing it seems irrelevant. But then again I'm not exactly a tax lawyer

 

[dtgsrq]

If you're 100% committed to the purchase, take the 2018 credit and (if even ever challenged) plead "form over function". You're out the money, your trade-in, and did everything in your power to "buy" the car - in fact did and (presumably) have a copy of the original purchase contract with delivery date. Just because JLR chose to "fix" your car by replacing it via "annulment" and a second "purchase" doesn't change the fact you purchased a rebate-qualified car in a timely manner during 2018, induced (ostensibly) by the rebate. The paper shuffle is semantics, IMHO.



Absolute worst case, by the time it would come to light (if ever), you'd have the same deduction only with a 12 month delay, so IRS 'could' seek interest on the $7500 for that period, or about $600. Yeah and maybe a few bucks more in penalties, if they really wanted to be nasty. Doubt they would do either under your circumstances. I think the decision just depends on your own personal risk tolerance vs. desire for the money NOW, tax position this year vs. next year, and probably most importantly, your overall audit risk profile (any other bones buried in your return(s)?).



Then again, if you have any suspicion this deal may completely fall apart (aborting the purchase), obviously wait. Frankly, you have until October 15 to make this decision (latest day to file with extensions). I presume the purchase (or not) decision will resolve itself long before you choose to file.



Just my (non-lawyer, non-CPA) two cents.

 

[sciencegeek]

Just saw on the uk forum that a dealer in belgium has stopped all deliveries. I think JLR has kicked into high gear about all the issues.

 

[WattAJag]

Since the U.S. Tax Rebate specifically says it belongs to the "Title Holder" (i.e. if you lease, you lose), I presume I can only claim it on the 2nd vehicle as I no longer have title on the first. I do have a copy of the contract - but if they sell that car to somebody else (can they do that as "new"?), I wouldn't want to rob that person.

 

[Time2Roll]

"annulled" AFAIK takes you back as if the event never happened. No tax credit.

I do wish, for those with a car in port, that we could go down and have them hand us one set of keys and sign the purchase contract before 12-31-2018.

 

[[email protected]]

Mixed feelings about all of this. Our car has one been at the port for 3 weeks, and I would very much like to take delivery by X-Mas. On the other hand, I would also prefer to have as many of the bugs worked out as possible before taking delivery. It would just be much easier to endure the wait if we had a reasonable estimate as to when the cars will indeed be released to our respective dealers.

What did your dealer tell you?

 

[[email protected]]

You need to translate this from Dutch to English
https://www.rtlz.nl/tech/artikel/4523921/jaguar-wil-bug-elektrische-auto-deze-week-fixen

 

[Dantrium]

You need to translate this from Dutch to English
https://www.rtlz.nl/tech/artikel/4523921/jaguar-wil-bug-elektrische-auto-deze-week-fixen

Jaguar recognizes software error in electrical I-Pace

Rutger Middendorp
Rutger Middendorp • 2 hours 33 minutes ago
@rutgerm

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The first electric Jaguar is plagued by software problems. In part of the cars, the screens fall spontaneously while the radio continues playing, even when the car is locked. Jaguar says this week with a software update to solve the problems.


Owners of the Jaguar I-Pace reported problems with the screens on the center console of the new electric car. These screens sometimes fall out completely, after which systems such as navigation, heating and media can no longer be used. The problem is also known to Jaguar Land Rover Netherlands, says spokesman Aldo van Troost against Bright. "The latest software update is the culprit, and a bug has come in. We are currently working on a solution that should be available this week."

The dealers of the electric cars have been instructed not to hand over new cars until the software update can be installed. Not all I-Pace drivers have problems with the screen. The affected drivers can drive and load, but the heating and radio remain until the new update appears, stuck in one position.

Well put on license plate
"Cars are registered and put on license plates, but not yet delivered to the customer," says Van Troost. Fully electric cars that are put on license plate before December 31st still benefit from the favorable bijtellingsregeling with the entire purchase amount under the 4% addition. In 2019, only the first € 50,000 will be part of that scheme.

Manufacturers of electric cars want to put as many cars on license plates before the end of this year.

The Jaguar I-Pace came on the market in the Netherlands in July of this year. The sporty SUV has a 90 kWu battery, which is good for a range of 400 kilometers.

 

[mmtahoe]

Since the U.S. Tax Rebate specifically says it belongs to the "Title Holder" (i.e. if you lease, you lose), I presume I can only claim it on the 2nd vehicle as I no longer have title on the first. I do have a copy of the contract - but if they sell that car to somebody else (can they do that as "new"?), I wouldn't want to rob that person.

Leases are factoring in $200/month for the tax credit, I've been quoted this multiple times.

The following came from our CPA, there are a high number of Tesla's in the area:
Per the list of qualified vehicles from the IRS website (see below) and the US Department of Energy website (see below), the 2019 Jaguar I Pace is eligible for the $7,500 credit. If you do purchase the vehicle make sure you receive a manufacturer certificate verifying the credit. They should provide you one when you purchase the vehicle. If you have any additional questions please let me know.

 

[BeachCliff]

What did your dealer tell you?

Dealer has been rather silent since first letting me know on December 6th that there was a sensor issue. It is this lack of transparency on the matter that I find to be most frustrating.

 

[BeachCliff]

Jaguar recognizes software error in electrical I-Pace

Rutger Middendorp
Rutger Middendorp • 2 hours 33 minutes ago
@rutgerm


The first electric Jaguar is plagued by software problems ...

Thanks for the translation. Hopefully this software fix will be on this side of the Atlantic soon, as well as the "seat sensor" replacement, too!

 

[[email protected]]

Dealer has been rather silent since first letting me know on December 6th that there was a sensor issue. It is this lack of transparency on the matter that I find to be most frustrating.

I called Jaguar Headquarters and they opened a case for me. They said it will be 2 business days before there is an update. I gave them my order number and VIN. Hopefully by Thursday I should have an answer or at least an update.

 

[BeachCliff]

I called Jaguar Headquarters and they opened a case for me. They said it will be 2 business days before there is an update. I gave them my order number and VIN. Hopefully by Thursday I should have an answer or at least an update.

Since my e-mails seem to go unanswered (by both dealer and corporate), it looks like I need to follow your path.