Thanks and best wishes! To each their own.
Cancelled my Ipace FE order
Well it looks like I am going to wait a couple years before jumping into the luxury EV market. Considering the USA economy has some legs for at least another year, I decided to invest my money rather that put it into the I-pace. Also the market is going to be inundated with other luxury EV brands in the next couple years so there are going to many choices!
I think the magic number for me is 300 miles range and 20 min or less charge for $90K. Tesla and Porsche among others will have it. And if the economy blows up, I will settle for a second hand I-pace for $40K in a couple years and wait longer.
Good luck all and enjoy your Jag!
I think the magic number for me is 300 miles range and 20 min or less charge for $90K. Tesla and Porsche among others will have it. And if the economy blows up, I will settle for a second hand I-pace for $40K in a couple years and wait longer.
Good luck all and enjoy your Jag!
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Well it looks like I am going to wait a couple years before jumping into the luxury EV market. Considering the USA economy has some legs for at least another year, I decided to invest my money rather that put it into the I-pace. Also the market is going to be inundated with other luxury EV brands in the next couple years so there are going to many choices!
I think the magic number for me is 300 miles range and 20 min or less charge for $90K. Tesla and Porsche among others will have it. And if the economy blows up, I will settle for a second hand I-pace for $40K in a couple years and wait longer.
Good luck all and enjoy your Jag!
Sure. There will be LOADS of new EV's coming in the next few years. FWIW - the new 2020 Audi E-Tron (available mid 2019) is slower (even though it has a slightly larger battery), boring looks - like a Q5 although of course, that's subjective, doesn't handle as well, lower range than an I-Pace, and it's about the same price as an I-Pace. My feeling is the new MB EQC will be less money but again, it's not really a zippy crossover that will be exciting to drive (but it will work well and quality is there). There will be new EV choices from VW, Hyundai, BMW, etc. Coming from driving a Porsche Macan Turbo, the upcoming Porsche EV lineup interests me very much but I'm not a huge fan of the Porsche Panamera and the 1st Porsche EV, the Taycan, is a derivative of that body style. So, I'll look at other Porsche EV's as they arrive but remember, they will likely mostly go for > $90k-$150k when loaded up. Best wishes!
Good Luck with your investments... I think you are making a very rational decision in holding out, us early adopters will certainly be paying some tuition, but man the the I-Pace is such a nice car, I do not mind paying some tuition to drive it.Well it looks like I am going to wait a couple years before jumping into the luxury EV market. Considering the USA economy has some legs for at least another year, I decided to invest my money rather that put it into the I-pace. Also the market is going to be inundated with other luxury EV brands in the next couple years so there are going to many choices!
I think the magic number for me is 300 miles range and 20 min or less charge for $90K. Tesla and Porsche among others will have it. And if the economy blows up, I will settle for a second hand I-pace for $40K in a couple years and wait longer.
Good luck all and enjoy your Jag!
On your charging estimates, I think you are off a bit. Tesla uses lower voltage in their vehicles, so to reach the very fast charging speeds that are coming from Porsche, Audi, and GM keeps mentioning (350-400KW), you will need massive amperage, which gets a little bit sketchy on the charging infrastructure. Tesla is not going to trash their entire supercharger network that is designed to charge a <400v battery as they simply cannot afford to. This is exactly the reason Electrify America is building their entire network with 920v-1000v CCS2 capability, that is the future of fast charging.
I can't argue with you. Of course, spending $70-90K on any car is never really a completely rational endeavor when you can get perfectly reasonable transportation for a fraction of that cost. At the end of the day, the reasons people (including me) buy high-end EVs are: they're cool, unique, novel technology, fast and a lot of fun to drive. And maybe we convince ourselves that we're good people and saving the planet (I've not deluded myself into believing this part). Once it clears the hurdle of being able to do what I need it to do, then the decision to buy is no longer governed by logic. If it was, I'd be buying a Subaru. (Note: I own a Subaru and I'm keeping it.)Well it looks like I am going to wait a couple years before jumping into the luxury EV market. Considering the USA economy has some legs for at least another year, I decided to invest my money rather that put it into the I-pace. Also the market is going to be inundated with other luxury EV brands in the next couple years so there are going to many choices!
I think the magic number for me is 300 miles range and 20 min or less charge for $90K. Tesla and Porsche among others will have it. And if the economy blows up, I will settle for a second hand I-pace for $40K in a couple years and wait longer.
Good luck all and enjoy your Jag!
Invest? I plan to finance 100% and keep my money invested. Rates are low.
I see nothing else on the horizon that I am interested in.
Best of luck to you....
I see nothing else on the horizon that I am interested in.
Best of luck to you....
Yep. I cancelled as well. Just checking back to see how things are going.
My Plan - B is the Kia Niro EV.
Better range, half the price, but same sizing and equipment as an $80k I-Pace.
I'm willing to give up the super-car performance and AWD . . .
My Plan - B is the Kia Niro EV.
Better range, half the price, but same sizing and equipment as an $80k I-Pace.
I'm willing to give up the super-car performance and AWD . . .
Buying an expensive premium car is never a rational endeavour. 
If it was all about rationality, we'd all be in Hyundai Konas, or waiting on the Nissan Leaf e-Plus.
If it was all about rationality, we'd all be in Hyundai Konas, or waiting on the Nissan Leaf e-Plus.
I am super keen to get an EV SUV as soon as possible so the IPace is an interesting option.
Recently I got to spend a couple of hours with some I Paces inLondon and have a decent test drive. So here are my thoughts if theyare helpful to others considering an I Pace. The photos I had seenlooked very positive!
My first surprise was how 'small' it was in reality – it wasdwarfed by the F Pace parked nearby. Not in overall length or widthbut by the lower roofline and coupe rear window. The internal spaceand usefulness is limited – this may not discourage certain buyersbut it is a problem for us as it would have to be our multi-purposehauler.
Indeed it a more of a sporty hatchback crossover – almost closerto a saloon. I like its looks and particularly as it is a ground-upEV design - unlike the poor Audi/Mercedes/Hyundai compromises –although in real life it is not quite as appealing as in photographs– slightly more dumpy and angular.
The interior in the First Edition version is very nice and classy.Sadly when I went to sit in the basic S and SE versions the interiorbecomes underwhelming and loses that special feeling. I think thatJag have made a mistake in trying to 'save money' in the cheaperversions (which aren't cheap!) - the cost difference must be minimal.
It did drive very nicely with lots of poke. Quiet and pleasantride. The steering did feel a bit lazy ofter our BMW i3 but that isvery agile and way lighter.
Overall a decent effort by Jaguar and if it suits your lifestyle agood option (if the range/energy consumption issue can be resolved oris not critical for you).
I think it may be a similar size to the Tesla Model Y when it seesthe light of day – possibly a bit lower – so the relative costswill be interesting in AWD form. I think the I Pace pricing seems abit on the high side – especially as Jag originally implied thatit would only have a small premium over the F Pace.
Recently I got to spend a couple of hours with some I Paces inLondon and have a decent test drive. So here are my thoughts if theyare helpful to others considering an I Pace. The photos I had seenlooked very positive!
My first surprise was how 'small' it was in reality – it wasdwarfed by the F Pace parked nearby. Not in overall length or widthbut by the lower roofline and coupe rear window. The internal spaceand usefulness is limited – this may not discourage certain buyersbut it is a problem for us as it would have to be our multi-purposehauler.
Indeed it a more of a sporty hatchback crossover – almost closerto a saloon. I like its looks and particularly as it is a ground-upEV design - unlike the poor Audi/Mercedes/Hyundai compromises –although in real life it is not quite as appealing as in photographs– slightly more dumpy and angular.
The interior in the First Edition version is very nice and classy.Sadly when I went to sit in the basic S and SE versions the interiorbecomes underwhelming and loses that special feeling. I think thatJag have made a mistake in trying to 'save money' in the cheaperversions (which aren't cheap!) - the cost difference must be minimal.
It did drive very nicely with lots of poke. Quiet and pleasantride. The steering did feel a bit lazy ofter our BMW i3 but that isvery agile and way lighter.
Overall a decent effort by Jaguar and if it suits your lifestyle agood option (if the range/energy consumption issue can be resolved oris not critical for you).
I think it may be a similar size to the Tesla Model Y when it seesthe light of day – possibly a bit lower – so the relative costswill be interesting in AWD form. I think the I Pace pricing seems abit on the high side – especially as Jag originally implied thatit would only have a small premium over the F Pace.
Timing the market? We could all die tomorrow. Live a little.
Haha! Interesting post... Nothing about the Kia and Jaguar are comparable including interior space, quality of materials and build, AWD, performance and handling, suspension, features, etc etc etc...Yep. I cancelled as well. Just checking back to see how things are going.
My Plan - B is the Kia Niro EV.
Better range, half the price, but same sizing and equipment as an $80k I-Pace.
I'm willing to give up the super-car performance and AWD . . .
All that being said, your analysis is rational... Not everybody can justify or afford a luxury/ performance car, so most settle for something lesser, and there is nothing wrong with that. I like the Niro, its a good EV, but not in the same class as the I-Pace, I think more like a better looking Bolt, with slightly more space and features.
I thought the same thing "I had ordered a Porsche 928 GTS, but then decided the heck with that a Focus SVT is almost the same, so I'm buying that instead". If one was seriously considering a Niro over an I Pace, the I Pace is the 'logical' loser...Haha! Interesting post... Nothing about the Kia and Jaguar are comparable including interior space, quality of materials and build, AWD, performance and handling, suspension, features, etc etc etc...
All that being said, your analysis is rational... Not everybody can justify or afford a luxury/ performance car, so most settle for something lesser, and there is nothing wrong with that. I like the Niro, its a good EV, but not in the same class as the I-Pace, I think more like a better looking Bolt, with slightly more space and features.
There's something to be said for cheap cars. I can beat on my FR-S all day without a lick of guilt. I'd feel differently if it were a 911.
Hey sports fans!
Final update:
My situation has been the quest to replace my SUV with one all-purpose EV.
After seeing great on/off road capability from Portugal tests, I thought the I-Pace could do it.
Then, I though Etron.
But with all the uncertainty surrounding range and deliveries, I bailed on both; and finally arrived at the answer to most car questions:
2019 MX-5 RF.
So, for the same price as an I-Pace or Etron, I'm just keeping my CX-9 (in which my kayak fits) and adding an MX-5.
For Hwy 1 and other daily driving around Monterey-- as you likely know, the MX-5 simply rocks.
Best of luck with all your cars/trucks!
Calidave - out.
Final update:
My situation has been the quest to replace my SUV with one all-purpose EV.
After seeing great on/off road capability from Portugal tests, I thought the I-Pace could do it.
Then, I though Etron.
But with all the uncertainty surrounding range and deliveries, I bailed on both; and finally arrived at the answer to most car questions:
2019 MX-5 RF.
So, for the same price as an I-Pace or Etron, I'm just keeping my CX-9 (in which my kayak fits) and adding an MX-5.
For Hwy 1 and other daily driving around Monterey-- as you likely know, the MX-5 simply rocks.
Best of luck with all your cars/trucks!
Calidave - out.
Ah that's too bad. Best of luck to ya! We'll welcome you back when (not if) you've come to your senses and reversed your decision
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