[nath_h]

Dantrium, I find this hard to believe also, but the tech says he just got back from training 2 weeks ago, and this issue was discussed.

 

[dtgsrq]

So, can any US I-Pace owners definitively tell me if they've charged above 50kW? Based on the 100kW number being in their own brochure, I have a hard time believing that my tech has the right information. Plus, 50 would just be really lame for a $90,000 car.

Yes, I have definitely 'reached' a max charging rate of 76kw per the receipt from Electrify America. And that was before the 100kW announcement/upgrade. See this post: https://www.i-paceforum.com/forum/4...arge-electrify-america-rocks-2.html#post29171

 

[CyberSlug]

I charged (for a VERY short session) at EA in Livermore, CA yesterday. The receipt says I started at 23% SoC and ended at 42% (which agreed with the car), and I added 16.617 kWh in 12m 12s, for a rate of 81.7 kW. I ignore the max rate is quotes because it is obviously bogus (11590.65 kW).

The problem is entirely that the car doesn’t think the charger is a CCS2 charger, only CCS1, so it won’t allow it to go over the non-cooled cables.

 

[McRat]

I charged from 9% to 74% in 45 min with is 77.7 kW average just last weekend at Baker, California on an ABB 350 kW CCS2.
This is the same rate it was in early December when the station opened. JLR has not changed anything as of April 12, 2019 to the best of my knowledge. That was the day my car had it's second dealer flash. Both times I specifically mentioned lack of 100 kW charging. 19A (not 19A2). There is no way to tell which flash enables 100kW charging. It's hidden from the owner.

 

[Sbingham60]

I charged (for a VERY short session) at EA in Livermore, CA yesterday. The receipt says I started at 23% SoC and ended at 42% (which agreed with the car), and I added 16.617 kWh in 12m 12s, for a rate of 81.7 kW. I ignore the max rate is quotes because it is obviously bogus (11590.65 kW).

The problem is entirely that the car doesn’t think the charger is a CCS2 charger, only CCS1, so it won’t allow it to go over the non-cooled cables.

50Kw is definitely not the limit. I've charged on fast chargers 2x and both were about 80kw, so sounds like a misunderstanding from the Jaguar tech.

 

[CyberSlug]

Also the Jaguar USA site still says "The I-PACE is equipped to accept up to a 100 kW DC charge rate — this means you can easily achieve a 0-80% charge in just 45 minutes."

There is a pretty good case to be made for false advertising if someone wants to.

 

[McRat]

Also the Jaguar USA site still says "The I-PACE is equipped to accept up to a 100 kW DC charge rate — this means you can easily achieve a 0-80% charge in just 45 minutes."

There is a pretty good case to be made for false advertising if someone wants to.

Yeah, this issue is starting to get old. In areas of the US, this is significant already. EVgo limits your charging to 45 minutes. Assuming you arrive with 10% or more, you should be nearly full in a single session.

Many of the Electrify America (VW) installs are >100 kW to service the Audi, Porsche, and perhaps upcoming VWs.

 

[nath_h]

Okay, good news about charging at a rate over 50kW. My car has been at my local Jaguar dealer for several days, and they did some sort of software update (sorry, not sure which one). After, I spoke w/ both the tech and service manager who informed me that Jaguar in the US does not allow cars to charge over 50kW due to warranty and battery concerns. And, the service manager double downed on idea that "up to 100kW" could actually just mean 50kW.



I was skeptical of both of their answers, and they clearly are on the learning curve regarding EV's, and are not well informed about any part of these issues. The service tech did claim to have just come from a service training 2 weeks ago.



BUT, I let my I-Pace run down to 40%, and headed to our local Electrify America charger, and my car is now charging at 81kW! All is well. The local service people need to get up to speed, and quit needlessly freaking out customers, and be a little less sure of themselves. Heck, they did not even seem to understand that their Chargepoint DC charger Express 100 chargers at only 24kW and not 100kW. I understand I'm an early adopter here, but Jaguar really needs to clarify this issue to its dealer network.

 

[epirali]

nath_h: its both Jaguar and the providers, as Electrify America headquarters was charging at 21 KWHr at a 150 KW charger. So there are multiple factors, but Jaguar dealers DEFINITELY have no true understanding. But this was the case with the first Leaf's too, and even today with most Chevy dealers.

Heck I still get oil change coupons for the Bolt!

 

[Meldev##44]

And I got a "temporary emissions exempt vehicle" with mine in Colorado.

This is the sticker all ICE vehicles get when new.

 

[LOLTSLA]

I hate to fly and I love having a pure electric car at my disposal wherever I go. That is why I just purchased a Tesla Model S 100 D - 315 miles of range and a supercharger network that is amazing. I have to go back and forth to California a lot and it is effortless to drive a Tesla. Hopefully Jaguar will get a similar charging network in the next couple of years. Until then, sales will definitely suffer. I still have not been able to sell my iPace.

I've owned a Tesla Model X 75D for about two-and-a-half years, and I replaced my remaining ICE car with an I-PACE earlier this year. The instant that Electrify America brings enough stations online to let me make the 2 or 3 long-distance road trips I occasionally make, the Tesla is getting the boot, and I'm never purchasing another Tesla. I'm keeping my eye on the Taycan, but this time I'm going to wait a full year with the car on the market before I take the plunge.

I agree with you that the range and charging infrastructure for Tesla is currently unmatched, and that matters a lot when you find yourself needing to make a lot of long-distance road trips. It's unfortunate that Tesla continues to eschew the CCS charging standard. What I find baffling is that they still pay lip service to the mission statement, "accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy," while they actively bifurcate the EV market through their proprietary charging network.