Does Jaguar not do OTA updates for the I-Pace? Are they having owners come into dealerships just so they can better monitor bugs and problems with the new software patch?
100kW charge rate misleading, see chart
Was excited to hear a recent software update will enable 100-105kW rate of charge for the I-Pace. My most recent DCFC session maxed out at 75kW. Unfortunately, this new high rate is only employed at under 40% SOC. (see chart below) When you look at the rate vs. SOC it becomes even more disappointing, falling below 50kW at 80% SOC. Let's hope the incremental improvements in charge rate keep coming.
See article: https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-can-charge-at-100-kw-after-update/
See article: https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-can-charge-at-100-kw-after-update/
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No EV yet has a linear charge rate.
Here's an example:
Here's an example:
Looks like the e-Tron comes the closest based on the graphs from a month or 2 ago, but it doesn't start deliveries until next month. And to do it they sacrificed range (only 204mi EPA rating) by reserving 12% of the battery.No EV yet has a linear charge rate.
I'll take 15% more range over (occasional use of) DC fast charging rate any day! Big win for Jaguar!
Hi all. I just got a my I-Pace a few days ago. When trying my local fast charger (twice), I was only pulling about 40-50 kW rate of charge on an Electrify America DC fast charger (up to 350 kW). This is not good for long distance trips, which I'll soon need to do. Does anyone know if the dealer needs to do the software update for charging up to 100, or is it OTA? If it was already out, not sure why it wouldn't have been done during the pre-delivery inspection at the dealer.
Recently, I did charge at an Electrify America 320 kW charger – from 37% to 80% in 00:32: 52. Energy delivered 36.7kWh. Max Charging rate 93.6 kw. I guess it depends on your car battery SoC. Please see the link above as quoted by dtgsrq on 4/4/19.
See article: https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-...-after-update/
The dealer should have done the updates but all are not up to speed.
See article: https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-...-after-update/
The dealer should have done the updates but all are not up to speed.
There are two software versions you can check in the car: Infotainment (currently 19A) and Telematics (currently 15.2). Neither are available OTA at this time. I’m not sure which one of these (if either) controls charge rate, but I know others are charging at over 50.Hi all. I just got a my I-Pace a few days ago. When trying my local fast charger (twice), I was only pulling about 40-50 kW rate of charge on an Electrify America DC fast charger (up to 350 kW). This is not good for long distance trips, which I'll soon need to do. Does anyone know if the dealer needs to do the software update for charging up to 100, or is it OTA? If it was already out, not sure why it wouldn't have been done during the pre-delivery inspection at the dealer.
I would like to hear what they sent you out the door with. I suspect 18C and 14.2.
Linky broky.Recently, I did charge at an Electrify America 320 kW charger – from 37% to 80% in 00:32: 52. Energy delivered 36.7kWh. Max Charging rate 93.6 kw. I guess it depends on your car battery SoC. Please see the link above as quoted by dtgsrq on 4/4/19.
See article: https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-...-after-update/
The dealer should have done the updates but all are not up to speed.
It's probably an ABB 350. I took a pic of the data plate on it, but don't remember where I put it. But the ABB 350 I used didn't display the kW, only kWh and minutes, I had to calculate it.
It goes past 800vdc, seems it was ~1000 x 350 amps?
From another post, not all 50kW chargers are created equal. I averaged almost 50kW on the one at Costco, Goleta CA starting at 31% to 98%.
In my case that's over 150 mph charging at [email protected]°F. Yet the one in Victorville was only 43 kW IIRC at best.
There are three schools of thought on this site about charging.
Those worried that 7kW will harm the battery if allowed over 80% SOC.
Those worried that the car will not charge at 100kW when over 80% SOC.
And my school of thought:
If JLR engineers thought that 7kW at 99% would harm the battery if plugged in daily, they would not allow it.
If the oldest EV mfr's see decay when DCFC charging and nerf the crap out of the software limits when past 50%, I'm thinking they learned this the expensive way.
When I travel long distances, I use an airplane. If I wanted to drive 1000 miles ASAP, I would drive anything EXCEPT a BEV. No EV has good range and infrastructure for driving 95 mph for extended distances. And the term Direct Current Fast Charging is a misnomer. It's actually Direct Current Fkgslow Charging at this point in technology. Fast is large mouth diesel refueling. Like 50 gallons a minute. When it's a 25 mpg pickup, it Ultrafast fueling.
The best of both worlds is still the Chevrolet Volt, especially the 2019. You can drive up to 101 mph sustained with reasonable economy for long distance runs, but for most your driving done each year, it's pure electric. It's true fast-refueling when desired, and it's pure EV when desired.
Those worried that 7kW will harm the battery if allowed over 80% SOC.
Those worried that the car will not charge at 100kW when over 80% SOC.
And my school of thought:
If JLR engineers thought that 7kW at 99% would harm the battery if plugged in daily, they would not allow it.
If the oldest EV mfr's see decay when DCFC charging and nerf the crap out of the software limits when past 50%, I'm thinking they learned this the expensive way.
When I travel long distances, I use an airplane. If I wanted to drive 1000 miles ASAP, I would drive anything EXCEPT a BEV. No EV has good range and infrastructure for driving 95 mph for extended distances. And the term Direct Current Fast Charging is a misnomer. It's actually Direct Current Fkgslow Charging at this point in technology. Fast is large mouth diesel refueling. Like 50 gallons a minute. When it's a 25 mpg pickup, it Ultrafast fueling.
The best of both worlds is still the Chevrolet Volt, especially the 2019. You can drive up to 101 mph sustained with reasonable economy for long distance runs, but for most your driving done each year, it's pure electric. It's true fast-refueling when desired, and it's pure EV when desired.
Did you get 19A and 15.2 from the dealer? I have an appointment on the 28th and would like to ask the dealer to have them update to the latest versions.There are two software versions you can check in the car: Infotainment (currently 19A) and Telematics (currently 15.2). Neither are available OTA at this time. I’m not sure which one of these (if either) controls charge rate, but I know others are charging at over 50.
I would like to hear what they sent you out the door with. I suspect 18C and 14.2.
My car is as it was delivered last November (18C/14.2). I’m nearly 500 miles away from the dealer and 200 miles away from a DC charger. Up until a few weeks ago, when the weather warmed up, there was no possibility of going 200 miles on a charge, so no good option to visit the dealer.Did you get 19A and 15.2 from the dealer? I have an appointment on the 28th and would like to ask the dealer to have them update to the latest versions.There are two software versions you can check in the car: Infotainment (currently 19A) and Telematics (currently 15.2). Neither are available OTA at this time. I’m not sure which one of these (if either) controls charge rate, but I know others are charging at over 50.
I would like to hear what they sent you out the door with. I suspect 18C and 14.2.
I’m going to what to see before driving down there because I have a hunch that dealer has only sold two cars, mine and the one the OP is driving...
I had my car at the dealer last Friday, 4/5/2019. They installed the 19A.x, but did not install 15.2. My car shipped with 18C/14.2 and no BECM changes listed.
This is second time I brought the car in for updates (first was to try and show SAE Combo sites), and this time the Climate Control was acting up.
They did reflash a "gateway" and something to do with the BECM, but these do not show on the car's display.
The 19A + Latest NAV fixes some significant issues with DCFC charging locator, and are worth it. What 15.2 does, I cannot say. I was going to drive 120 miles to test the DCFC rate last weekend, but ... I have a hunch I'd see the same speed the car was sold with.
This is second time I brought the car in for updates (first was to try and show SAE Combo sites), and this time the Climate Control was acting up.
They did reflash a "gateway" and something to do with the BECM, but these do not show on the car's display.
The 19A + Latest NAV fixes some significant issues with DCFC charging locator, and are worth it. What 15.2 does, I cannot say. I was going to drive 120 miles to test the DCFC rate last weekend, but ... I have a hunch I'd see the same speed the car was sold with.
Did they say why they didn’t update to 15.2? Any word on OTA?I had my car at the dealer last Friday, 4/5/2019. They installed the 19A.x, but did not install 15.2. My car shipped with 18C/14.2 and no BECM changes listed.
No. I told them to update the car to the latest firmware so I could test the car on a ABB350 SAE Combo2 to see if the 100kW charging is available in the US. The service writer's eyes started to glaze over I think. I think I might have speaking in Greek?Did they say why they didn’t update to 15.2? Any word on OTA?
When I got the car back, it was still 14.2 and NC on the battery computer.
With 19A, there is a button to UNLOCK Updates along with a button to Enable Updates. Neither will have any effect. I had an iPhone in the car, and WiFi Connected, with the car in ON mode. But I did not renew the ATT SIM subscription. I don't think that is necessary though. I could be wrong. It should at least tell me if there are updates even if it doesn't have the bandwidth to download.
I hate to fly and I love having a pure electric car at my disposal wherever I go. That is why I just purchased a Tesla Model S 100 D - 315 miles of range and a supercharger network that is amazing. I have to go back and forth to California a lot and it is effortless to drive a Tesla. Hopefully Jaguar will get a similar charging network in the next couple of years. Until then, sales will definitely suffer. I still have not been able to sell my iPace.
Brent
Brent
JLR is having a tough time selling them too! They are now knocking $5k off the MSRP (which puts them pretty close to or below cost) and 0% financing.I still have not been able to sell my iPace.
Brent
Yeah, tell that to those who where stuck at Quartzsite recently...I hate to fly and I love having a pure electric car at my disposal wherever I go. That is why I just purchased a Tesla Model S 100 D - 315 miles of range and a supercharger network that is amazing. I have to go back and forth to California a lot and it is effortless to drive a Tesla. Hopefully Jaguar will get a similar charging network in the next couple of years. Until then, sales will definitely suffer. I still have not been able to sell my iPace.
Brent
My car has been at the dealer for a few days. My software was 14.2, not sure about the other version. I spoke w/ the tech tonight who informed me that Jaguar US does not allow higher than 50kW. He is aware that higher rates of 100kW are allowed in Europe, but said it has something to do w/ the US battery warranty that it is limited to 50kW.
This is a major problem for me. While I don't want to drive cross country, I was planning to take several longer trips this summer taking advantage of fast charging. The Jaguar brochure I brought home says up to 100kW charging...this is what I was expecting when I purchased the car. Anything less that that is false advertising, IMHO. I mentioned this to the tech, who said "it is up to 100kW", implying that 50kW is within that 100. But with that logic, they might as well have said 10,000kW, since 50kW is also within that number.
So, can any US I-Pace owners definitively tell me if they've charged above 50kW? Based on the 100kW number being in their own brochure, I have a hard time believing that my tech has the right information. Plus, 50 would just be really lame for a $90,000 car.
This is a major problem for me. While I don't want to drive cross country, I was planning to take several longer trips this summer taking advantage of fast charging. The Jaguar brochure I brought home says up to 100kW charging...this is what I was expecting when I purchased the car. Anything less that that is false advertising, IMHO. I mentioned this to the tech, who said "it is up to 100kW", implying that 50kW is within that 100. But with that logic, they might as well have said 10,000kW, since 50kW is also within that number.
So, can any US I-Pace owners definitively tell me if they've charged above 50kW? Based on the 100kW number being in their own brochure, I have a hard time believing that my tech has the right information. Plus, 50 would just be really lame for a $90,000 car.
Although I do not have personal experience in that regard, I would be willing to bet your tech has no idea what he is talking about.My car has been at the dealer for a few days. My software was 14.2, not sure about the other version. I spoke w/ the tech tonight who informed me that Jaguar US does not allow higher than 50kW. He is aware that higher rates of 100kW are allowed in Europe, but said it has something to do w/ the US battery warranty that it is limited to 50kW.
This is a major problem for me. While I don't want to drive cross country, I was planning to take several longer trips this summer taking advantage of fast charging. The Jaguar brochure I brought home says up to 100kW charging...this is what I was expecting when I purchased the car. Anything less that that is false advertising, IMHO. I mentioned this to the tech, who said "it is up to 100kW", implying that 50kW is within that 100. But with that logic, they might as well have said 10,000kW, since 50kW is also within that number.
So, can any US I-Pace owners definitively tell me if they've charged above 50kW? Based on the 100kW number being in their own brochure, I have a hard time believing that my tech has the right information. Plus, 50 would just be really lame for a $90,000 car.
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