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dtgsrq 05-10-2019 04:35 PM

Forget the rebates... IL first state to levy annual "tax" on EVs...
 
Let's hope this doesn't become the norm... will stifle EV sales wherever it occurs!

https://nypost.com/2019/05/10/illino...electric-cars/

epirali 05-10-2019 07:13 PM

Only in America is all I will say.

sciencegeek 05-11-2019 02:08 AM

Fuel tax

jsimon7777 05-11-2019 02:54 AM

Gas and diesel are taxed but also heavily subsidized in other ways.

rcomeau 05-11-2019 02:07 PM

Inevitable in the long run
 
It seems that this particular tax is particularly excessive (compared to the additional fuel tax for ICW cars).

Having said that, it is inevitable that the same taxes on conventional cars designed to fund the maintenance of the roads we all drive on will have to find their way to electric cars. While electricity is cheaper than gas, the cost of paving the road is the same regardless of the type of engine is in the car driving on it, so the tax to total cost ratio will be worse for EVs for the overall contribution of EVs to the road maintenance to be the same per car.

Given the social benefits of driving EVs, hopefully these taxes will be waived for a while to help motivate the transition, but at tome point, all cars will have to pay their share of the road infrastructure costs.

jsimon7777 05-11-2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rcomeau (Post 33255)
Given the social benefits of driving EVs, hopefully these taxes will be waived for a while to help motivate the transition, but at tome point, all cars will have to pay their share of the road infrastructure costs.

All true. However, some of these taxes are specifically targeting EVs out of some perverted form of political stupidity and hatred for the environment.

Dantrium 05-11-2019 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 33259)
However, some of these taxes are specifically targeting EVs out of some perverted form of political stupidity and hatred for the environment.

Wow! I’ve never even heard of someone that hates the environment, but you know some in government?

btw - if someone is spending $90k on a personal vehicle to ‘save the planet’ they are are doing it wrong...

jsimon7777 05-11-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantrium (Post 33263)
Wow! Iíve never even heard of someone that hates the environment, but you know some in government?

btw - if someone is spending $90k on a personal vehicle to Ďsave the planetí they are are doing it wrong...

Lots of people happily pollute because they can make money in the process. I see it time and time again in government and individuals. Our government has opened up more and more nature preserves to drilling. Individuals purposefully roll coal in their lifted trucks and then park in front of superchargers. What else is it other than hatred of the environment?

I don't really care about me and our 90k car. I care about widespread adoption of EVs. California quite smartly put income caps on the state EV rebates. They even have given people with high incomes who are under the cap the option of getting carpool passes versus rebates. This didn't seem to make a dent in Tesla sales, and I bet Californians have, per capita, bought more I-Paces than any other state. EVs will be, in the long run, a massive positive for the environment. Raising taxes on EVs to pay for corrupt infrastructure projects and help prolong the oil industry's profits is just sick.

Honestly, the 7500 fed tax credit should have a price cap of 50k or so, or better yet it should be a tax rebate that goes up the lower the income.

Mister Dave 05-12-2019 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dantrium (Post 33263)
Wow! I’ve never even heard of someone that hates the environment, but you know some in government?

btw - if someone is spending $90k on a personal vehicle to ‘save the planet’ they are are doing it wrong...

Right.

And try not to get all flipped out about proposals. Write the dopes and tell them how you feel if it lowers your blood pressure. But keep in mind that most often they do these things solely to get attention.

How's that Green New Deal progressing by the way?

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Originally Posted by epirali (Post 33201)
Only in America is all I will say.

HEY!!!

Like Europe has its sh*t together? I may have to disown you, Dad. ;)

wbjag 05-12-2019 01:23 PM

If you do the math, the fees are more expensive then the amount paid in gas tax, a lot more. These things are of course unfair and tactics from the big oil company lobbyists and republicans (politicians) to force the decline and retard the EV (Alternate Fuel) sales and technology advancements. Look what happen to sales in Georgia when the did this, sales declined 80%; they know what they're doing. The climate and impact we humans are having on the encroaching crash of our ecosystem is of little concern to them. Their positions will of course change when it hits home for them which is encroaching quickly. Sad they can't understand these things in foresight, it is closer than they can imagine.


Not a single citizen would agree to this. Aren't our elected officials suppose to be doing what we want?, what is right by us and the general population. Where is the existing infrastructure money going? Managing the inefficiencies of the system would go "a lot" further but of course that wouldn't give them all the latitude to lavishly line their pockets.


Too much to comment on this and similar subjects. We need an organized middle class with a voice loud enough to effect a change and send a message to the big company lobbyists and politicians that they can't have rule over what is right.


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