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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-10-2018, 02:36 AM Thread Starter
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Tesla Model S owner looking for insights on I-Pace and Jaguar.

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I am a Tesla Model S owner whos interested in the Jaguar I-Pace. I am hoping to get more information on the Pace and get some insights on the Jaguar brand in general. I tried having this rational discussion on the Tesla forum, but I apparently upset the Fanboys there by just posting the question...I hope its different here.
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Thank you! What can you tell me about Jaguar, in the Tesla forum they were killing the brand but I know better than to listen to fanboys about other brands.
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I had the same issue. Trying to compare Tesla to another actual EV, on that forum results in flames from the fanboys.
I had a Model S for 50,000 miles, and my wife has a 3. I'm also following the ipace closely...


So far, I've determined, the iPace is
Sexy
Sporty
Unknown EPA range rating
No super charger network
Range Rover looking interior
About $13-18k cheaper than a Model S.
Dealer is MUCH closer to my house
Top speed is less than any Tesla Model.
Jag doesn't have mobile repair services.
Tech in the dash isn't up to Tesla, but it's MUCH closer than anyone else.
Doesn't come with a UMC equivalent. - but you can get one that plugs into a NEMA 14-50 if you have that outlet already.
No autopilot or FSD options.


And, I think it's law to pronounce it "Shhhhhaaaggguuuwwwaarrhhh". It annoys the wife, but it's hilarious.

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First retail deliveries are planned for Sept for the 2019 model yet.
If you go to Jaguar site, you can see there are a huge amount of options to select from.
If you want the Red/Orange Jaguar, you need to order the First Edition. That color (Photon Red), will only be offered on 2019 FE models.
There is a lot of questions about actual range (480km WLTP?) for the production edition. Only prototypes have been tested, and no EPA numbers.
It has a lot of options unavailable in the Teslas. 360 view, HUD, off-road digital control systems, 18-way heated/AC leather seating, etc.
They tested 200 cars for a total of 1.5 million miles as of December. https://electrek.co/2017/12/06/jagua...ototype-fleet/
It shares very little with the look-alike F-Pace ICE SUV. The cab is more forward, the wheelbase is longer, yet the OAL of the i-Pace is shorter.
There has been more press testing of the i-Pace and reviews than any pre-production car I can remember. YouTube or Google all the tests.
The ones with air suspension are apparently pretty good at off-road trails, since they can pump up to over 9.5" of ground clearance and cross 20" of water.
They don't appear to overheat on a roadrace course.
The "fake engine noise" feature can be turned on and off.
The owner's manual is not complete yet, but the in-process version can be easily found. It's twice as long as it was in June.
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I had the same issue. Trying to compare Tesla to another actual EV, on that forum results in flames from the fanboys.
I had a Model S for 50,000 miles, and my wife has a 3. I'm also following the ipace closely...


So far, I've determined, the iPace is
Sexy
Sporty
Unknown EPA range rating
No super charger network
Range Rover looking interior
About $13-18k cheaper than a Model S.
Dealer is MUCH closer to my house
Top speed is less than any Tesla Model.
Jag doesn't have mobile repair services.
Tech in the dash isn't up to Tesla, but it's MUCH closer than anyone else.
Doesn't come with a UMC equivalent. - but you can get one that plugs into a NEMA 14-50 if you have that outlet already.
No autopilot or FSD options.


And, I think it's law to pronounce it "Shhhhhaaaggguuuwwwaarrhhh". It annoys the wife, but it's hilarious.
The press has mentioned it's one of the best handling SUV/CUVs. The handling is user adjustable on optioned cars. Steering weight, dampening, tip-in, can be programmed, or you can let the car decide what settings matches the road.
EPA range not determined. Hypermiling will reach 291mi or more.
It has a "7kW" on-board, probably 7.2kW (32a x 240 1ph US).
Euro spec EVSE appears to charge at 100-265v, at L2 speed.
US spec EVSE has zero data so far.
It uses CCS DCFC at a speed that is not locked in yet. Is it 80kW? Is it 100kW? Will it be 120kW? All these numbers have been mentioned by JLR engineers. The charging speed can be changed via OTA updating of the battery controller.
Similarly equipped in the US, it's about $8k cheaper than the MS75D, but the i-Pace will have more features at that price.
Top speed is 200kmh or 124mph. The ACC is mentioned to work at 112mph.
Mobile repair is not offered. It's a 5yr/60k bumper to bumper, JLR InControl Remote and Protect, OTA updates, WiFi hotspot, Carplay/AA.
Read the owner's manual from my post above for all the features of the dash and other controls. Pretty extensive including traction mapping for ice and sand.
It has ACC and "self-steering", but nobody has evaluated it. It appears to work to 112mph.
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Some dealers should be getting a showroom car this month. Call to verify.
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Great summary comparisons, I-Pace to Tesla.


Apologies about going off-topic, but I just noticed that McRat's user profile mentions "solar self-installed."


Would anyone who's done solar self-install be willing to share experience/requirements?


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Tesla is like driving a computer and less like a car. I'm hoping the Jaguar drives more like a car and less like a computer. My Tesla S was great 2016 and the majority of the bugs were out of it (except for the occasional reboot of the system (brake peddle and the two steering wheel buttons).. With the Jaguar I pace don't be fooled WE will be the Beta Testers! Totally unique but it checks all of my boxes. Fortunately they are a mile away. Can't wait till November!
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Great summary comparisons, I-Pace to Tesla.


Apologies about going off-topic, but I just noticed that McRat's user profile mentions "solar self-installed."


Would anyone who's done solar self-install be willing to share experience/requirements?


Many thanks!
There is a lot of resources on-line. Mine is not a residential array. It's a 480vac 3PH commercial system with 2x1 meter 310 & 350 watt panels (76 panels) that are paired with Solar Edge P700 optimizers and fed into a Solar Edge SE20K-US rapid-shutout, internet connected inverter. The installation is on a "flat" roof, using DynaRaxx ballasted, tool-less racking so I drilled no mounting holes in the roof. I highly recommend Solar Edge. I highly despise Southern California Edison, the City of Norco permit dept, and the CPUC. 3/4 of my time was waiting for approvals, getting bad information, and other paper hassles. My city charged over $2000 for permitting and were unqualified to be handling it.

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