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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-05-2019, 01:56 PM Thread Starter
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Electrify America app available and pricing changes

Found this on Insideevs.

https://insideevs.com/news/352990/el...p-new-pricing/

Electrify America now offers three power levels for pricing:
1 – 75 kW
1 – 125 kW
1 – 350 kW

Depending on local utility rates and the power level of the EV, the per minute DC fast charging prices can start as low as 15 cents a minute on up to 99 cents.
The new power-level pricing replaces Electrify America’s initial pricing of 30 to 35 cents per minute established in May 2018.

Charging for any time at any rate up to 75kW is one rate for the whole session. Charging for any time at 76kW to 125kW gets the send rate for the whole session. Everything about 125kW gets the third rate.

Read the info at the link, or download the app from your appropriate app provider for more info.
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Ok I am really good with paying for fast charging and to support the infrastructure. And I really do get that it costs money to install, maintain and overhead to run these networks. But with this pricing they are making the most common charge rate the LEAST price effective. So at $41/hour a typical 90 KWHr charge may cost you over $60 from empty to full. Yes I understand they want to prevent sitting there for low charge rates, but 20KW is still a lot faster to full than 7KW.

What do you all think?
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With the I-Pace we can't set the charge rate, unlike some ev's.
And it varies depending on your SOC.
EV charge companies are going to make $$$, until there is more
charger company competition to keep prices in check.

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This new scheme will basically double our charging cost while traveling. My car very briefly hits 80+ (or even 100) before quickly tapering off at 50 or so. So, I'll be stuck paying the 2nd EA price point, despite spending most of the charge in the lowest price point. This is not good for us, at least from a cost perspective. The new EA pricing scheme does not seem well thought out.
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I'm reading an EA receipt from Mesquite NV:

Thank you for charging with Electrify America.

Assistance: 1-833-632-2778

06/02/2019 11:45:25 AM

Walmart 3847 - Mesquite, NV
1120 W Pioneer Blvd
Mesquite, Nevada 89027
Charger #100099-04
Connector #1

Visa : XXXXXXXXXXXX1304
Total paid: $13.73

Session ID: 20250
Transaction ID:3246944218

Charging pricing: $1.00/session + $0.35/minute(pre-tax)

Charging cost: $13.73
Discount: $0.00
Idling: $0.00 ($0.40/minute)
Sales tax (0%): $0.00

End state of charge: 81%
Total energy delivered: 44.8 kWh
Max charging rate: 96.66 kW
Charging time: 00:36:22
Grace period: 00:10 min
Paid idle time: 00:00
------------------------------------------------------------------

0.606 hours supplied 44.8 kWh = 73.9 kW average to 81%
.31 / kWh / 2.474 mi/kWh = $0.125 per mile.
At $3.00 per gallon = 24 mpg at mostly 80 mph. Not bad for a CUV with a big motor.
But in California, we are closer to $4 a gallon, which is 32 mpg.

But the pricing is by minute.

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Edit block.

So 74kW yields a correction factor of 1.23 per minute.

We need a way to cap the peak response to <75kW on demand to cut charging fees dramatically.

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If that is their pricing I would have thought the user could select the maximum rate. How is that not so?
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EA is VW atonement for past sins (but get somebody else to pay for it) + being the equivalent of building out a charging network for their forthcoming vehicles (sound familiar?). Without that network, they wouldn't sell as many vehicles as they plan. They realized the value of that business model. The rest of us get the pleasure of using it for a cost and helping to pay for it since we didn't buy a VW.

Petrol vehicles didn't get much of a market until the infrastructure to refuel them got built out, if you can remember back that far.

They have to get more competitive on pricing (e.g. lower session charge) to compete with other charging networks. Local electrical charge will vary for obvious reasons, but they'll pad it to make a profit and cover build costs. Setting up pricing ranges is easier for the masses to relate to like different prices for different grades of petrol. It is doubtful people will get out a calculator to figure the cost before plugging in though. They will just want to recharge as quickly as possible and get on their way.

Will we eventually see charging locations putting up signs showing charging rates like gas stations show their prices?
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@McRat - Your receipt from the Mesquite NV charger shows the old pricing:
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Charging pricing: $1.00/session + $0.35/minute(pre-tax)
The new pricing at a max level of 125kW is $1.00/session + $0.69/minute. That almost doubles the price you will pay for that session to $26.10 once they roll it out.

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@McRat - Your receipt from the Mesquite NV charger shows the old pricing:

The new pricing at a max level of 125kW is $1.00/session + $0.69/minute. That almost doubles the price you will pay for that session to $26.10 once they roll it out.
If it will charge at an average of 100kW, I will be happy to pay 0.69. However, our car reports 90-104kW but charges at an average of about 75kW.

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