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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 02-19-2019, 10:40 AM Thread Starter
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The Netherlands (16,040 sq mi) is about half the size the size of Greater Los Angeles (33,954 sq mi) and has 17 million people (GLA has about 18 million people). I charged at FastNed (https://fastned.nl/en/locations) from 40% to 80% at 50 kW for about 36 minutes. The choices at the ABB charger are (left to right):
-AC 43 kW for a Renault ZOE (not for sale in the USA). This ZOE has an on-board AC charger of 22 kW and the AC also drives the Motor/Dynamo to charge another 21 kW straight to DC.
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-CCS Combo
The current 50 kW chargers are being upgraded to 175 kW.
I don't have a description at FastNed and ended up paying EUR 17.70 (USD 20) which means EUR 0.59 per kWh (USD 0.67). I think this is too expensive since I can charge at work (230 Vac, 16A @ EUR 0.25 per kWh (USD 0.28) and at "home" (City chargers) 230 Vac, 32A @ EUR 0.35 (USD 0.40) per kWh.

What do you pay in the USA for fast and slow charging?
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Yes same as petrol... need to shop around. For EVs I do expect fast charging, especially on the motorways, to be a bit of a premium.

Work is free but slow at just 20 amps. I pick up 60 miles most days and the drive is 25 miles. Sometimes that is enough to get me through the weekend too.
Charging at home overnight is 14 cents per kWh. However my net cost after solar is about 4 cents per kWh at home.

I have not yet fast charged my I-Pace.
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Along the charging topic, Electrify America posted this:


Electrify America Joins CharIN to Support Charging Infrastructure Access and Education


This news builds upon a recent announcement that Electrify America will work with CharIN members to be the first DC fast charging network in the USA who will offer the Plug & Charge technology at its charging stations, based on the ISO15118 charging standard. Electrify America will introduce Plug & Charge at more than 500 charging station sites with more than 2,000 chargers by the end of 2019.

See full PR on EA web site.

I hope or would think I-Pace would be compatible.

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The Netherlands (16,040 sq mi) is about half the size the size of Greater Los Angeles (33,954 sq mi) and has 17 million people (GLA has about 18 million people). I charged at FastNed (https://fastned.nl/en/locations) from 40% to 80% at 50 kW for about 36 minutes. The choices at the ABB charger are (left to right):
-AC 43 kW for a Renault ZOE (not for sale in the USA). This ZOE has an on-board AC charger of 22 kW and the AC also drives the Motor/Dynamo to charge another 21 kW straight to DC.
-ChaDeMo
-CCS Combo
The current 50 kW chargers are being upgraded to 175 kW.
I don't have a description at FastNed and ended up paying EUR 17.70 (USD 20) which means EUR 0.59 per kWh (USD 0.67). I think this is too expensive since I can charge at work (230 Vac, 16A @ EUR 0.25 per kWh (USD 0.28) and at "home" (City chargers) 230 Vac, 32A @ EUR 0.35 (USD 0.40) per kWh.

What do you pay in the USA for fast and slow charging?
In the US the price will vary by region and by company.
For example EVGo in Florida will typically charge $.35 per minute for a 50kW charger. This equates pretty close to $.35 per kWh since you get just about 1kWh per minute.
In California, EVGo will typically charge $.20 per minute on the 50kW charger.

In both those cases, there is a connect charge if you are not a member. So if you charge frequently away from home, you can buy a monthly membership for about $10 per month, which also lowers your rate per minute: https://electrek.co/2018/03/01/evgo-speed-ceaper/

You definitely have to shop around by state and by the provider.

The national average for folks charging at home is $.12/kwH, which the US EPA uses when calculating costs. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/labe...ic-label.shtml

Each state and electrical provider will vary quite a bit. Some utilities have tier rates by time of day. My utility is flat rate at $.086 per kWh

Once you factor in any per minute and connect fee, the kWh cost can be pretty steep. I tapped into an EVGo 50kw charger for 20 minutes, which added about 20kWh charge. The cost was $5.95 + $.35/minute for a total of $12.95 for 20kWh which is about $.65 per kWh. So not too different from what you experienced. If there was a ChargePoint charger nearby, the cost for the same would have been $9.95 or about $.50 per kWh.

A little long winded, but I hope that helps.
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Yes same as petrol... need to shop around.
Petrol (Octane Rating 95) here in the Netherlands is EUR 1.70 per liter (USD 7.30 per gallon). So energy for my EV is still cheaper than fuel for ICE cars.

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Yes same as petrol... need to shop around.
Petrol (Octane Rating 95) here in the Netherlands is EUR 1.70 per liter (USD 7.30 per gallon). So energy for my EV is still cheaper than fuel for ICE cars.
Here it is currently $1.94 per gallon, so even for me the EV is less expensive to die, but not by a big margin.
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By the end of July, there will be a few Electrify America charging stations operational in Florida. The nearest one in Bushnell, FL at the Walmart is $1.00 to connect and $.30/minute to charge. For 20 minutes, this would be about $.35/kWh, so not too bad for public charging. I'm not sure when they will have the 150kw and faster chargers built. It will be interesting to see how pricing works on the faster chargers.

With respect to driving and fueling costs - If I charge at home, my cost per 100 miles in the I-Pace is about $3.70 to $4.00. However, if were to charge at at a fast charger, the cost of $.60/kWh is more expensive than buying petrol. With petrol, it costs about $8 to go 100 miles. Definitely need to keep the public charging to a minimum.

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