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H.R.6274 to save American EVs? $7500

A bill to remove the 200,000-vehicle cap for electric car manufacturers and extend the $7,500 tax credit for new EVs until 2028 gained more supporters recently, with Rep. Darren Soto (D-FL) and Rep. James P. McGovern (D-MA) signing as cosponsors of H.R.6274, also known as the Electric CARS Act of 2018.

Read about the bill: ‪https://www.teslarati.com/electric-c...orters/‬

Congress EV bill updates: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/6274/text

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Once more and more companies hit the 200k limit, they will advocate to extend it.
I didn't realize the Volt and all those qualified, I assumed GM would have more time, but I guess they will hit 200k soon.
I'm surprised Nissan didn't hit the limit yet, but then again once you look at a leaf, you know why

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Well hopefully it's good news. As a nation, most our legislation and bureaucracy efforts have been chasing our tails for 20 months while neighboring countries laugh at us. The time to pass this bill would have been 2017 before rabies became full blown. Now we are in full-scale war politically in Washington. Literally. We have Congress members telling the public the stalk and harrass those they politically oppose and their families and friends, using violence if necessary. The victims do not need to have done wrong, they are picked entirely on guilt by association. It's a first since the 1950's.

I find it interesting that California and Michigan are not the authors of the bill. They are the ones with US jobs on the line. For California, we really have no support for California Issues in DC. I doubt most our Congress members know where California is or what we do here.

Our green programs have been halted by both parties recently, especially in California. We are building a train from one ghetto to another, at a cost of $10,000 per taxpayer with our Environmental monies, and it won't be finished in our lifetimes. The hiring was based on nepotism, and contracts handed to campaign donors, with the land owned by politicians. And we are expanding the swamp in the official "The EV City of the Future" (Sacramento), with lots of graft/pork diverting the dollars into politicians pockets.

Neither side of aisle considers EVs a legitimate subject anymore. It's a pawn for trading, or a weapon for labeling others as puppy/kitten killers. It's no longer a US defense issue. It's tragic to watch it.

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... with lots of graft/pork diverting the dollars into politicians pockets.
So ... I'm not sure ... is this something you feel strongly about?
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So ... I'm not sure ... is this something you feel strongly about?
Yeah, California is supposed to be the "Green State" but in the last few years, we are retreating from that. It's disgraceful.
Tesla is based in California, but notice this bill was not sponsored by our representatives. Tesla won't wet their beaks, so they are ignored.

I did predict they would try to extend the fed credit. I cannot predict if it will pass though. It could have passed in early 2017, but now the climate has changed, and I don't mean GHG levels.

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It's just another tax transfer from the poor to the wealthy. The bottom 25% off the population aren't buying EVs, used or new. On top of that, a lot of used EVs are being exported to other countries. No, this is bad policy. Tesla had their 1.5 billion plus subsidy. So will GM. I'd like to see it go away, actually, now that the tech is good enough to go mainstream.
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It's just another tax transfer from the poor to the wealthy. The bottom 25% off the population aren't buying EVs, used or new. On top of that, a lot of used EVs are being exported to other countries. No, this is bad policy. Tesla had their 1.5 billion plus subsidy. So will GM. I'd like to see it go away, actually, now that the tech is good enough to go mainstream.
It's Marketing 101. Put something on "sale" and volume increases. Humans fall for it every time. Every time subsidies were removed or reduced on EVs/PHEVs, sales fell.

There is not an 'affordable' EV produced at a profit for the middle class in the US/Euro markets that is in competition with ICE choices.

(before somebody gets all edgy, Tesla lost $11,000 per car last quarter with their highest sales numbers ever, even with government assist in both Nevada and California, and their cheapest car is $50,000 USD)

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Trivia - When EVs are sold at an 'affordable' price, they sell poorly.
Fiat and others had leases at ~ $100 a month and moved very few cars.
It seems expensive EVs sell better than cheap ones.

So how do you get people to buy cheap EVs? The greatest puzzle of all.

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So how do you get people to buy cheap EVs?
Make them better?
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It's just another tax transfer from the poor to the wealthy. The bottom 25% off the population aren't buying EVs, used or new. On top of that, a lot of used EVs are being exported to other countries. No, this is bad policy. Tesla had their 1.5 billion plus subsidy. So will GM. I'd like to see it go away, actually, now that the tech is good enough to go mainstream.
I pay at least 10x (a guess, it may well be far more than that) the tax of Mr Average, that's probably true of most people who choose to buy a 100K car, but I shouldn't be entitled to a handout?

A handout which would help accelerate adoption of EVs (currently relatively expensive for the Average Punter), and thereby increase mass production thereby bringing costs down, and at the same time help reduce balance or payments deficit (for UK at least) with oil states with the consequential problem of some of the money sloshing around in those states going into the hands of people that it turns out we don't like, and that's assuming we don't have to go to war to protect supply.

Let alone the acceleration of the demise of ICE and thereby reducing, ultimately, the cost of climate cleanup.

After all, that's what the transition from ICE to EV is about.

I don't want a level playing field between EV and ICE at all; the faster the world stops polluting and CO2'ing with ICE the better ... time is running out on that one.

If your solution is to give money to the car companies, rather than subsidise the purchase, that's OK with me too (although we can obviously debate which one lines the pockets of Fat Cats more ...). The faster it happens the better for all of us, rich and poor alike.
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