Poor fuel efficiency isn’t a problem, until it is - Jaguar I-Pace EV400 Forum
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post #1 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-27-2018, 04:08 PM Thread Starter
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Poor fuel efficiency isn’t a problem, until it is

So I had to do a 650+ mile road trip today. I recently spent nearly $90,000 on a beautiful Jaguar. But because of its love of electricity, guess which car I got to spend 10 hours in today?
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post #2 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-27-2018, 04:32 PM
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Not the beautiful Jaguar, I'd guess.

The lack of efficiency combined with the dearth of readily accessible fast charge stations are really shackling this cat.
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Not the beautiful Jaguar, I'd guess.

The lack of efficiency combined with the dearth of readily accessible fast charge stations are really shackling this cat.
Great city car or for those slow, leisurely drives...
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Well even with great efficiency 650 miles in a BEV is not trivial...
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Well even with great efficiency 650 miles in a BEV is not trivial...
If it could go 200 miles it would have worked without being too much slower. Drive 200 miles, charge for 45-60 minutes. Arrive with ~30%. Leave it on a destination charger for the 5 hours I was there. Drive 200 miles, charge for 45–60 minutes, arrive home with ~25%. Would have added less than 2 hours total, which turns long day a bit longer, but not unreasonably so.

Of course with a more robust DC charging network I could have done the trip, adding close to 4+ hours, doable, but much less palatable. Given the current infrastructure, it just wasn’t even possible.
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I assume this is more lack of charging facilities than electric efficiency.
We have been making a 725 mile road trip most summers. I think making it into two days and driving electric would be a nice change. Not sure it is possible yet.
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I assume this is more lack of charging facilities than electric efficiency.
We have been making a 725 mile road trip most summers. I think making it into two days and driving electric would be a nice change. Not sure it is possible yet.
Nope, read the previous reply. If I could get 200 miles, I could have used the car today , with the current, rather sparse charging network.

Granted, given it’s poor fuel economy, improved infrastructure would make it possible, but not palatable. I didn’t have the luxury of making it a 2 day drive.
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My thoughts on the state of CCS level 3 charging is far behind the Tesla Supercharger network. (US)
This really makes road trip ideas a big challenge.
Electrify America is slowly adding some fast chargers, but has a long way to go.

The majority of other brands eg. ChargePoint have many AC level 2 chargers which is/was good for hybrids or
EVs with smaller batteries.

These AC chargers won't cut it when time is limited.
As you know I-Pace only has a 7 kW charger.
This makes any charging slow.

I think that even the DC fast charger at my local Jaguar dealer is only 24 kW.

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I'd just rent a nice road car for the day. Life is too short to waste on electric car charging.

Like most EVs, the I-Pace is indeed a nice city/local car.
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I'd just rent a nice road car for the day. Life is too short to waste on electric car charging.

Like most EVs, the I-Pace is indeed a nice city/local car.
I'm optimistic that I will go on within-California road trips, including car camping in the desert or on the coast. Won't be doing 600 mile days but a 400 mile day will be just fine, it just adds one to two hours to the drive time. Seems to me that two things are important for your peace of mind: (1) Planning ahead and (2) Being mentally ready for some delay related to charging on the road. I've mapped out potential trips to cool places (camping or not) and they all seem totally doable.
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