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post #11 of 112 (permalink) Old 02-04-2019, 05:09 AM
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I'm on the fence at the moment. If they can get the infotainment system to work the way it's supposed to, I would say I'd definitely keep it. At the moment I'm just not sure...

There is so much I really like about the car. The interior feels and even smells great. The looks are dead sexy. The handling is wonderful for a car of this type.

It's the first EV I've driven that has anything resembling a soul - I'm an Alfa nut so I can say that...

The strange thing about the car is you can just feel they were running out of money when it came to the infotainment system. Why not just take the entire screen system from the Velar? That car is priced similarly, is in the JLR family yet they gave it a much more upscale feel to the knobs, screens, and switches - even on the steering wheel.

Sorry to rant again as I have in some other threads. It's just the first car I've owned in a very long time that perplexes me this much!
There is a lot to like about the car, but it's not just the infotainment system that falls short of just about any other $90k car:

-manually adjustable steering wheel
-missing auto-adjust for ease of exit/entry
-flimsy hardshell cargo cover
-the flimsy, Geo Metro quality rearseat armrest/little bin
-no pass-thru in the rearseat for carrying long objects in the car
-front arm-rest storage bin is just one giant, cavernous bin. It would be more useful if it was a least a dual compartment like any other car I have owned in the last 20 years.
-cupholders suck...of course cupholders in most European cars suck compared to American/Japanese cars

even after almost 4000 miles, I run across something else that I just shake my head at...
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Easy to say you should keep it, give it time for rivals to come out and then ask everyone again
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OMG, a keeper!

JLR got the most important things right: gorgeous styling, luxurious interior, fantastic build quality, and great handling/performance. Blows Tesla away in all these categories (except 0-60 time at top end, but who really cares?).

Where they fell (slightly) short: Infotainment. That's really it! However, if JLR takes a cue from Tesla (undoubtedly has and will), OTA upgrades will address this shortcoming over time. Even if they didn't at all, the car is still an awesome machine.

Upcoming SUV/crossover offerings from Mercedes and Audi don't appear to have done any better, so if an EV fits your lifestyle and conscience the I-Pace is the best premium vehicle available, today or in the foreseeable future.
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That follows my theory that my expectation was that the luxury would be to the level of an X5, Q7, or whatever the equivalent MB is.

However, the car is more on par with the X3, Q5, and GLC. It's just that it's more priced in line with the larger SUVs vs the smaller ones...
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I love my I-Pace, warts and all.

It's a perfect urban sport sedan for me. It carries enough adults without apologies, has a large enough Costco payload, and is lots of fun to drive. And it doesn't look like the other 100 models of CUVs or sedans.

About the power steering wheel? I think that's a odd technology:

1) If it's your personal car, do you ever change it?
2) Isn't it better to put the steering where you want it and hit SET? Rather than move it around with toggle switch and keep rechecking it?
3) Is it something I'd pay money/weight for?

Before having any discussion about $90k luxury, explore and drive the 2019 CT6 Platinum.
1) Hands-free autosteering of course and 100+ mph ACC with high speed AEB.
2) Effective very long range thermal imaging that really works well instead of being a gimmick.
3) All seats are powered, temp-controlled, with multi-function massage, wireless headsets, privacy curtains, 1080P HDTV dual entertainment, separate rear sunroof.
4) All wheel steering and perhaps the best SC/TC in the industry. With 4 adults in it, I can humiliate many sport cars with it on a closed circuit.

No EV and very few if any ICE vehicles live up to the Cadillac standard until you reach about $200k.
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I see your point with the steering wheel, but I will say it's incredibly nice to set the position electronically and it's really nice to get out of the car and have the seat and wheel move out of the way for you. On my 2nd gen X5 from a few years ago the wheel would move up, the seat would move back, and the bolsters would deflate to let you get out more easily. When you got in and it did everything in reverse it made you feel like Darth Vader having his suit put on!
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I love my I-Pace, warts and all.

It's a perfect urban sport sedan for me. It carries enough adults without apologies, has a large enough Costco payload, and is lots of fun to drive. And it doesn't look like the other 100 models of CUVs or sedans.

About the power steering wheel? I think that's a odd technology:

1) If it's your personal car, do you ever change it?
2) Isn't it better to put the steering where you want it and hit SET? Rather than move it around with toggle switch and keep rechecking it?
3) Is it something I'd pay money/weight for?
To each is own for sure, but with all the cars you've owned I find it odd none of them had power adjustable tilt/telescopic wheel and you didn't find it useful. I can't remember the last car I owned (besides my Smart TwoFour) that didn't have it. I guess I haven't looked at every $90k car, but I can't recall any that I have looked at that lack those features...It is even found on the F Pace...

If I was to be contemptible, I could apply the same three comments to the thought of electrically adjustable seats, but I won't.

Suffice to say, with power adjustable steering wheel and seats, most smart manufacturers include a nifty feature that automatically moves the seat back and steering wheel up to improve entry/egress and moves it back to the precise place the detected driver left it. In those cars (including other JLR cars), the little memory button saves the mirror, steering wheel and seat positions. Maybe it is just one of those features, like HUD, that you don't really appreciate until you have it. Then again, maybe some people will never like it.
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The only other luxury car I've owned recently that doesn't have power tilt/telescoping wheel is my wife's Volvo XC90. I was shocked it didn't have this option.

Where it makes a big difference is when I drive her car - which I do any time we go somewhere with our kids. So when I hit my memory button, it moves the seat and mirrors, but I have to move the steering wheel myself which is a bit annoying vs others cars in the price range. Same with the Jag, but no one else drives that but me .

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Overall, very happy with the vehicle.
I do believe that a lot of the annoyances that I have right now will go away with a few software upgrades.
I am keeping pressure on JLR corporate USA and JLR UK to address my concerns; infotainment, InControl app, etc.. They have been very responsive.
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