Where to start? You don't like Tesla sedans. That doesn't tell me anything other than people have different preferences in cars.
Not really, some things are preference, others are measurable. Everything is not opinion, only certain things are. For example quality of interior is not opinion. Ride and handling can be measured, it is different than "like." When a "sporty" sedan that has ludicerous mode lifts its front tires by inches when power is applied this is both bad design and DANGEROUS. This is NOT opinion. Front tires kind of important for controlling a car. If you are a kid you go "wheeeee" and maybe laugh at fart mode. As an experienced driver I immediately take my foot off the pedal, turn the car off and hand the keys back. Which is exactly what I did.
If we're going to get into measuring, I've owned 6 EV's from 3 different manufacturers. Does that make me qualified to comment?
Sure I never said you are not qualified, you kept making negative comments about my statements, and I was letting you know its based on experience, observation, analysis, not "cult."
Are you measuring Tesla's SUBPAR service on an absolute scale? Or on a relative scale to other manufacturers whose cars you have owned like Jaguar? I'm glad you like the Tesla service personnel. They try hard to satisfy the customer even though they make mistakes.
Both. In absolute terms their service centers are not up to the volume, repairs take way too long, from what I see they have tried to remove too much of actual diagnostics to a point where both the customer pays too much and the company wastes too much in not repairs done on site.
In relative terms the service experience for Model S/X is abysmal compared to luxury car makers. If I take my BMW in the level of service, speed of service, loaners, everything is first rate. I have to BEG for them not to park my Roadster outside in an unprotected lot in the middle of hail season. On a car that can not be repaired. That is before the quality of service. As I said before it was funny last time I pulled in and an excited M3 owner was checking it out and said "wow its the royalty of Teslas you must be treated like that here." I smiled and waited until he left before I talked to the service rep. I didn't want to ruin his excitement as a new Tesla owner.
If talking about numbers isn't a primary concern and a false argument that what are the key points we should be talking about here? Musk's personality seems to be a favorite. Seriously, what are the objective measures you are using to evaluate how well the various car companies are doing with the move to electrification? How are you sorting out the future winners from the losers? Who is leading the market and why? Who has the best long term strategy? Or do you not care about that? How are we to know if "Tesla is in trouble" (thread title) if we aren't answering those questions?
Dennis the numbers for Tesla are analytically bad. This is not opinion. This is not FUD. This is not anti-Tesla. There are analysts and experts who look at this and they are NOT missing anything. It is the armchair "experts" who talk about tech revolution, visionary, changing the car industry. That is noise.
You said before you won't post until Tesla shows a profit. I am not saying you should do that. I am just saying this profit is not on the horizon for reasons that have been repeated her ad nauseam. Just one point in context of this response: for Tesla to bring its service centers just "up to par" requirements vast investment. They cut back massively last quarter just to reduce the scale of loss. This can not be sustained. There are other structural factors too, and they have all been listed before.
I am sorry this doesn't align with your wishes. It doesn't align with mine either, I want Tesla to not go away. But you know the saying, if wishes were horses...