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Android Automotive Demo at Google IO 2019: https://youtu.be/aZJMtGPVymY
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Android Automotive Demo at Google IO 2019: https://youtu.be/aZJMtGPVymY
I don’t expect it to be perfect, but it will be light years ahead of what we have now. Diehard Apple folks may not like using Google.
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I dont expect it to be perfect, but it will be light years ahead of what we have now. Diehard Apple folks may not like using Google.
I have no issue with the technology of android/google, but I will NEVER use their products including in a car until and unless there is absolute guarantee of data privacy. Right now there is none and android phones track your location even with GPS off and associate with your information. What would make a car based android any different. This would be a deal breaker for me in a car, not interested in google tracking my deriving habits for data aggregation.

I use Apple both for their design and their privacy policy.
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I agree completely with epirali. I will never use a Google product because of the inability to prevent the associated tracking in the first place (deleting the raw data after it's been merged into a profile and put through their ETLs and ML algorithms does almost nothing). That's already made me rule out Polestar for the foreseeable future.
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CyberSlug: not that I liked the styling but I agree with you completely. The second I saw that Android is used I stopped looking. Great point.
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Good luck avoiding being tracked. Your cell network tracks your location, even with GPS turned off. Short of pulling antennae out, you're not going to turn off all the cellular systems on the car. This very site had 15 sites connected according to Ublock and 13 sources of javascript according to noscript. Privacy is dead. The best you can do, maybe, is adblock the results of that fact.
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Good luck avoiding being tracked. Your cell network tracks your location, even with GPS turned off. Short of pulling antennae out, you're not going to turn off all the cellular systems on the car. This very site had 15 sites connected according to Ublock and 13 sources of javascript according to noscript. Privacy is dead. The best you can do, maybe, is adblock the results of that fact.
First there are laws that are not enforced about carriers cellular tracking and who can use it. But that isn't the primary issue, I allow car services (BMW, JLR) to track and report position in case of emergency or for road side assistance. I am AWARE of this and give permission (or not).

Google uses all data, including position, and aggregates with other data and MY IDENTITY for its own uses with no control or oversight or transparency. These two things are NOT the same.

I am not an anti tech paranoid weirdo and I use technology and love it. But I do not freely allow any company to productize me nor violate my right for privacy (I am not a celebrity nor a public figure) in order to save $200, and SPECIALLY not when I pay top dollar to buy a product like a car.

If people actually voted with their money companies like Google and Facebook would not be able to do what they do. And when companies like Apple actually make it a part of their product pitch ("pay me full price rather than give up privacy") many people ignore or mock them for it.
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Let me see if I have this right. Apple doesn't track your location?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1601004391ac
https://patientengagementhit.com/new...a-sharing-tech
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/9/17...-third-parties

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Apple’s clampdown seems to be related to the General Data Protection Regulation, which comes into effect on May 25th in Europe. Under the new rules, technology companies will need to obtain explicit and informed consent from a person they’re collecting personal data from. That means apps might need to ask for consent to your data more often, or highlight how they’re using your data in clearer ways.
It wasn't an Apple policy until it was a European law?

Apple Health Records? Why don't I like the sound of that?

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https://patientengagementhit.com/new...a-sharing-tech
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/9/17...-third-parties

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It wasn't an Apple policy until it was a European law?

Apple Health Records? Why don't I like the sound of that?
I am not sure about your point. Apple proactively removed apps that violate the well defined rules about how they can access your location. You have to give permission. And if they work around that they are removed. That is privacy.

The other issues are both either opt-in or a theoretical flaw that was addressed.

Google has outright lied about tracking.

Sorry but this is false equivalency.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

EFF is a great resource for this information:

https://www.macobserver.com/news/app...-user-privacy/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...ng-advertisers
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