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In 5 months, I have only had the screen not paint twice, and I just sat in the car with it off for a minute, and started it again, and it's fine.

I don't hit START until the lower screen shows green. And, I don't go into D (drive) until the main screen shows my HOME screen.

Other than that, it's totally reliable.
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It's been a fun car. While it could use some more power, I still enjoy driving it more than any other street car I've owned so far. Yeah, the software is buggy. But I've been using computers daily since 1975, so software bugs to me are the norm, not the exception. I FJKG HATE MY FJKG IPHONE X with a passion. Buttons on the side where you hold it? Gosh, maybe cars should have buttons on the circumference of the steering wheel. They change the user interface just pizz the users off. Poor file handling, no USB / microSD support in 2019? WTF is it with the nostalgia nonsense, I didn't appreciate the lack of interoperability in my Apple II either.
You want more power???? Eegads man!

Iphones don't have sd card slots so they can charge you much more for a slightly larger storage space. Poor file handling to get you to use their services and streaming. It's not nostalgia. It's control. Sure they could make a laptop that allows upgrading of memory and storage, or they can charge 10x market value for those same parts and solder them to the motherboard. I was a huge Apple fan long ago. Now I fart in their general direction.

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Guess I'm just used to the very stable, fairly trouble-free and reliable vehicles like my previous Porsche & Mercedes-Benz AMG; can't say the exact same for BMW but maybe they're not as finicky these days (had a 2006 335i which had some electrical issues). I may be slightly different than most as I use my I-Pace or whatever everyday car for my business & family, driving > 20k mi. per year, so I need a vehicle which will be relatively trouble-free; I simply cannot be bringing it in to the shop every few weeks!

And, while I agree the I-Pace fit & finish are excellent/interior materials are high quality and it drives great, it's always the on-going software problems and any mechanical (big or small) that ruin the entire experience, imho (especially when it takes your Jaguar dealer days or weeks to fix the problems)!
My E60 BMWs had more and more serious issues. In the end, these issues are all relatively unimportant to me. I just enjoy the drive so much. I can scream through the twisties and then raise the car up and bomb through the various dips and bumps of urban and suburban driving. No slowing to not scrape. My truck is the same way. "What? There's a curb? LOL!"
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You want more power???? Eegads man!

Iphones don't have sd card slots so they can charge you much more for a slightly larger storage space. Poor file handling to get you to use their services and streaming. It's not nostalgia. It's control. Sure they could make a laptop that allows upgrading of memory and storage, or they can charge 10x market value for those same parts and solder them to the motherboard. I was a huge Apple fan long ago. Now I fart in their general direction.

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I'm jaded. I went from a Z06, to a CTS-V, to a ZR1. The I-Pace has more useful power for daily driving. The other 3 sort of sucked from that perspective, but all were quicker in a 1/4 mile than the I-Pace.
And while the I-Pace will drift, it's much easier in a RWD car with too much HP.

While I'd like more HP, the instant acceleration it does have puts a grin on my face. It was raining this AM, and I was goofing off, and it's still fun even if it is AWD. I hung the tail out just enough to get some speed out of the corner.

The company buys our phones, that is, my wife. She loves the iPhones so that's what she buys. I agree Apple hates interoperatability for purely financial reasons. They can't seem to remember that the same mindset killed Apple's desktop lead. It wasn't until Apple went x86/USB that the sales started to recover. If they didn't, there would be no Apple desktops.

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I am trading my MB AMG in on an I-Pace. Owning the AMG was the realization of a long-held aspiration ruined with horreendous repair costs and reliability issues.

No mechanical object is perfect and different owners will have different experiences. But if your expectation is perfection, you are certain to be disappointed.
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I had to grab a salesperson by the scruff of the neck and threaten to kick someone's a** to buy an I-PACE they just got delivered on the lot.

Okay, maybe it wasn't literally that bad, but you get the idea. Nobody had any idea what was going on. I mentioned "J1772," and the lead salesperson stared at me with a blank expression before writing "J1772" on a piece of paper so they could look it up later. I told them about the rapid chargers in the area, and I told them about how long it takes to get a certain number of miles given the charge rate. They had no clue how the car worked or how to take it on a road trip. They didn't know how big the battery was or what its warranty was. Complete and utter total cluelessness.

And this dealership is literally 3 blocks away from a Tesla service and sales center. If I hadn't owned 2 EVs previously over the past 5 years and wasn't walking into the situation extremely knowledgeable and experienced with respect to EVs, there's no way I would have bought an I-PACE.

The sales associate I got was very knowledgeable, and I was told he was (one of?) the specialist(s) on the team. He was younger and had gone through some extensive training (and maybe some others had, also), but also was a veteran at the dealer pre-I-Pace time.



He did get at least one thing arguably wrong, if my memory is correct. He had said there were only two fluids to check (windshield fluid one of them). Unless he meant the other two were not really supposed to be checked by owners, contrary to the manual page. Possibly so.

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I am trading my MB AMG in on an I-Pace. Owning the AMG was the realization of a long-held aspiration — ruined with horreendous repair costs and reliability issues.

No mechanical object is perfect and different owners will have different experiences. But if your expectation is perfection, you are certain to be disappointed.
Drove my 2009 AMG to 93k mi. without 1 single problem! I have > 45k mi. on my 2012 Nissan GT-R (which has been modded to a custom-tuned full-bolt-on running on E85 fuel and it's been on the track) without 1 single problem. Hand-built and top of the line vehicles are better. Not a single problem in my Porsche Macan Turbo after 54k mi when I sold it, awaiting the delivery of my I-Pace. Now, I have this lemon. Love the way it drives, but I'm spending more time in POS bottom of the line, no option Jaguar loaners than my loaded $90k I-Pace.

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I'm jaded. I went from a Z06, to a CTS-V, to a ZR1. The I-Pace has more useful power for daily driving. The other 3 sort of sucked from that perspective, but all were quicker in a 1/4 mile than the I-Pace.
And while the I-Pace will drift, it's much easier in a RWD car with too much HP.

While I'd like more HP, the instant acceleration it does have puts a grin on my face. It was raining this AM, and I was goofing off, and it's still fun even if it is AWD. I hung the tail out just enough to get some speed out of the corner.

The company buys our phones, that is, my wife. She loves the iPhones so that's what she buys. I agree Apple hates interoperatability for purely financial reasons. They can't seem to remember that the same mindset killed Apple's desktop lead. It wasn't until Apple went x86/USB that the sales started to recover. If they didn't, there would be no Apple desktops.
You should be on the Taycan or Tesla roadster waiting lists then. Up until the ipace, I could not stomach spending over 50k on a vehicle. Now I figure do it before I die.
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I agree Apple hates interoperatability for purely financial reasons. They can't seem to remember that the same mindset killed Apple's desktop lead. It wasn't until Apple went x86/USB that the sales started to recover. If they didn't, there would be no Apple desktops.
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Reading all these posts gives me an uneasy feeling that I've just spent $90,000 on something which I can't truly rely. Unlike some of you who have multiple vehicles, this is our primary car, and we need it to work. While it has not been a disaster like some report, it has had issues including stranding my wife at work and not powering up to drive (worked fine w/o explanation the next day--no codes recorded by computer). There's been a few other bugs, like the radio turning on randomly (twice), start button occasionally needing to be pushed twice to start, and some sort of fault at a EA charger that had us sitting around for a nervous hour trying to get it to charge.



On the other hand, the car is phenomenal. Like many of you, I've had them all...Porsches, Mercedes, many BMW's...I find the I-Pace in a class by itself, at least for now until the Taycan comes out. The luxury, handling, speed, quietness...just tremendous. I'm really, really hoping these early bugs get ironed out.


Does anyone think Jaguar will get their hands around these early bugs, and we can expect a more stable car down the road? Or, is this just wishful thinking?
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UPDATE: just got my I-Pace back (after another 4 days at the dealer) with the A/C working after they replaced a leaky valve of some sort. Crossing my fingers for a better experience from here on. Regardless of what happens (or doesn't happen) over the next few years, I still do not think I will ever get another Jaguar. I will most likely trade the I-Pace in for a Porsche Taycan, Audi E-Tron GT, or other EV from a more reliable car brand I feel more comfortable with. This will still be my first and last Jaguar, but as all of you, I will remain positive and enjoy my I-Pace while driving it. Hopefully, I won't have to drive any more crappy loaner cars for the next few years, haha.

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