Well, this turned into a **** show.
I never said it was a democrat or republican thing. If you saw that, well, that's on your paranoid, delusional view of the world. Illinois is a blue state and the a-hole proposing the 1000 ev tax is a dem. In general, politicians do not only ignore the will of the populace, they make bad decisions too. Often the populace wants stupid, destructive, selfish things. That's when politicians should be leaders, not populists. Left and right, we have plenty of populists. I find it ironic when people complain about left wing populists while supporting right wing populists, and vice versa.
I imagine most people here are not pure greenies. The ipace isn't exactly the most efficient EV. If I wanted efficiency, I'd have a Prius for long driving days and a Fiat 500 for short driving days. We're all luxury car buyers here. My wife and I have four cars, only one of which is an EV, though we've had two small EVs leased before. One of the vehicles is a Ram 1500 with a Hemi. Thing weighs well over 5000lbs and gets 15mpg driven normally. I'm just driving it less now. Might sell it. Super comfy, though. Also super useful. Currently there's 600lbs of concrete bags in the back.
The science on global warming is clear and massively supported by scientists in the field. Some scientists from outside the field and, for some reason, many engineers feel otherwise. I don't get my science from engineers, though. I get my engineering from them, but I get my climate science from climate scientists. Among them, the agreement and science are absolutely crystal clear.
Total subsidies for the oil industry are massively greater than those for the alternative energy and EV industry. It's stupid, destructive policy that will cost us immensely in the long run.
The wealthy get subsidized at an embarrassing rate. For last tax year, I get a 7500 refund on the ipace, another 30% back on my home battery backup system, a write-off on home interest, massive business write-offs, deferred taxes on a significant chunk of income thanks to 403b, 457, and 401k, and probably more things I can't think of at the moment. Not to mention the massive tax cut that I got last year. If you don't like communism, how can you like subsidies for the rich and corporations? Isn't that communism too? Not that either of these things are communism, but I'm not even going to try to find a definition.
As for cap and trade, that's not my baby. It seems like it's gotten some mixed results. Lower carbon overall, but higher local pollution in vulnerable, poor areas.
Aren't much fun
When you call them
This conversation is rotting in the hall.
Don't be fooled. If that cow ever escaped, it would eat you alive in a heartbeat. Kill or be killed.
Human leather was used for lampshades by Socialists once upon a time.
I imagine they will do it again; history doesn't repeat, but it often does rhyme.
Cows with guns.
The Nazis were not socialist by any meaningful definition of the word.