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Reg Consumer I-Pace Pre-Production Demo 1st Drive 9-13-18

Greetings all I-Pacers. I ordered an I-Pace several months ago just after JLR opened up the orders and got confirmation on my order & build this past June. My I-Pace was just built with an expected delivery (South Florida) in just 4-6 weeks slated for mid-late October, 2018; in fact, my I-Pace may very well be the first or certainly one of the first consumer production I-Pace vehicles coming to Florida.

Today was an exciting day for me as well. I had the opportunity today to drive a pre-production demo I-Pace today at my local Jaguar dealer. I spent the first 20 minutes playing with some of the settings before test driving, and then did a nice mix of spirited driving & casual cruising around for another 30 minutes or so. My initial impressions:

1) The I-Pace is absolutely AMAZING! Anyone who isn't impressed with the drive-ability, handling, acceleration, feel, and quality is either lying, in denial (for whatever reason), or mentally ill, lol!

I came from a 2015 Porsche Macan Turbo (which I added a piggyback tuning device to increase HP/TQ from 400/400 - 480/470) and in my opinion, the I-Pace absolutely BLOWS the Macan away! Maybe it's just the instant torque and what I describe as "butter soft" smooth ride and linear acceleration, but I am also very impressed with the look & feel of the vehicle. While I truly enjoyed driving my Porsche everyday, I really think I'll love driving my I-Pace everyday even more than my previous Macan Turbo. The I-Pace is just so smooth and while different than driving any other ICE car, it's very cool in a good way! Now I understand why Tesla drivers just love their Teslas.

Another tidbit of info from my test drive today...I followed a guy who was test driving an Aston Martin DB11 and we both got on to the highway at the same time...I was behind him and he floored the DB11 so of course, I floored the I-Pace. Let's just say I have a feeling he went back to the Aston Martin showroom (shared with Jaguar) and inquired about the Jag I-Pace which costs $170k LESS than the Aston Martin and of course has better "fuel" economy than the DB11's 11 mpg...and I was on his tail the whole time, ahem, slightly past the speed limit, lol!

2) Regen Braking - While my original thought was to likely drive the I-Pace set in "Low Regen Braking" (because I typically do ~ 70% highway driving here in South Florida), I now will likely drive my new I-Pace in "High Regen Braking" even on the highway. It's just that easy and seems to make driving easier and more pleasurable...the "1-pedal driving" while a bit unnatural is very easy to get used to...I got used to driving this way literally in under 3 minutes! You can still use Cruise Control on the highway AND you can of course still apply the brakes if you need to stop more quickly than the regenerative braking applies after you lift off the accelerator. I found my self gently applying the brakes on a couple of occasions when I needed to stop a bit quicker (like stopping quickly at a red light). The brakes are great too; similar in stopping performance as my Porsche Macan Turbo (and that's saying a lot!). BTW - it appears that when in high regen braking mode and you lift off the accelerator, the brakes lights do in fact turn on so the cars behind you know you're braking and slowing down.

3) The full solar glass roof & heat? Okay, so you know now I'm in South Florida where it's quite hot most of the year so I've been worried about the I-Pace not having a sun shade under the full glass roof BUT I can tell everyone today right now that the UV-ray/heat deflecting glass actually works quite well...wow! Although I'm no giant (only 5'8") so my head isn't that close to the glass above my head, I certainly didn't feel the sun's heat beating down on my head today (and it was a typically 84 degrees today with the sun shining bright). After my test drive, I did put my hand on the glass roof from the inside of the car and I did feel that it was very hot, BUT again I didn't feel the heat when I moved my hand just a few inches away. So interesting and very pleased that it seems to work well!

4) A/C, Navigation, & Infotainment - all works well (but in all honesty, I'm used to the new JLR Touch Pro Duo system as we have a 2018 LR RR Velar) and is a bit slow but not as slow as our 2018 Velar's Touch Pro Duo system and of course, the I-Pace version adds a lot of features and information specific for the I-Pace EV. BTW - interesting fact (which should also quell some concerns by many)...these systems including A/C, seat A/C/Heating, Infotainment features use a separate, smaller battery instead of draining more juice from the car's main EV battery. In addition, this separate battery also gets recharged through the regen braking & when you plug your I-Pace in to charge each day. So, what does all this mean? This means that if you (like me) were concerned that using these systems like A/C and seat heating/cooling will affect your main battery and driving range, don't be as using these systems shouldn't affect your I-Pace driving range! JLR really has thought of almost everything with this new I-Pace. So, this is very good.

5) Apple CarPlay & OTA software updates - they told me today that while the initial I-Paces coming into the US won't have the Apple CarPlay feature, it should in fact be included with an upcoming software update; they just don't know exactly when. In addition, they also mentioned that they prefer that software updates be done at the Jaguar dealer (instead of doing yourself at home via OTA update) simply because if there's a problem, you're I-Pace may be stuck at home. I understand their point on this, I would like the ability to do these OTA software updates at home without any issues...just update and GO! Hopefully, they will feel more confident in their OTA software updates to promote this feature, just like Tesla does.

So, that's about it for now. I am really excited to take delivery on my I-Pace...just built and expected delivery/handover in about 4-6 weeks in mid-late Oct!! It will be my first EV and I have a feeling, I may never go back to driving an ICE car (except for my 700 HP/TQ GT-R Black Ed. of curse, lol...that car is just special in so many other ways)! CHEERS!!!!
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Very cool! Awesome! Thanks so much for sharing.

Can we have independent confirmation from someone else regarding the separate battery unit for AC? That's a new one I hadn't heard before.
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One other thing to note...the demo I-Pace I drove today also had the 22" wheels I'm getting, and despite what a few other (media) car reviewers had described in the past few months, I found the ride (with air suspension) to be extremely smooth..."buttery" in fact and didn't feel any sort of harshness at all. In fact, I found the I-Pace with the 22" wheels and air suspension to be much smoother than our 2018 LR Range Rover Velar S with 20" wheels without the air suspension. So, just like my previous Porsche Macan Turbo, (with 21" wheels), the air suspension must be the key to compensating for the larger wheels. The ride was so smoooooooooth..."like buttah!"

If those media car reviewers want to really feel a 'harsh' ride, I would invite them to drive my GT-R with the Rays Wheels 20" black ed/track ed wheels; they will bounce around with every little pebble and small bump in the road, lol!

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Can we have independent confirmation from someone else regarding the separate battery unit for AC? That's a new one I hadn't heard before.
That sounds like a bad idea.
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That sounds like a bad idea.

Not sure why you would think that? The point is a small (regular ICE car battery type) that powers all the electronics like A/C & Infotainment which gets recharged (much like an alternator) just by driving & regen braking + plugging the I-Pace in to charge makes much more sense and alleviates the concern that constant daily using A/C, heating, and Infotainment drains the main I-Pace battery which would greatly reduce the car's range. Makes makes perfect sense to me and is a very good thing!

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All EV's have a 12V ICE type battery. These are used for lights, controls, radio and entertainment systems. They get recharged from the main battery so if significant power is needed, ultimately the electricity is coming from the main battery and the impact on range of having the 12V battery is almost nil.
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Sounds like a sales person that doesn't know tech. You can't power an AC compressor from a car battery. at least not for long. It's going to get power from the HV pack. Which has a charging system to charge the 12v batt... just like Tesla. and just like anyone would use. Those functions aren't separate from the HV pack because they were smart. They are separate because they are just normal car parts that already run off 12v... no need to reinvent a heated seat. Unless you can eliminate the 12v battery. (which, someday Tesla will). But the cost is just.. why when a 12v pack is so cheap.


as for doing an OTA update at the dealer... byte me. if it bricks, Jag is responsible for towing. I'm not taking it anywhere for an OTA update.

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Sounds like a sales person that doesn't know tech. You can't power an AC compressor from a car battery. at least not for long. It's going to get power from the HV pack. Which has a charging system to charge the 12v batt... just like Tesla. and just like anyone would use. Those functions aren't separate from the HV pack because they were smart. They are separate because they are just normal car parts that already run off 12v... no need to reinvent a heated seat. Unless you can eliminate the 12v battery. (which, someday Tesla will). But the cost is just.. why when a 12v pack is so cheap.


as for doing an OTA update at the dealer... byte me. if it bricks, Jag is responsible for towing. I'm not taking it anywhere for an OTA update.

Well, I guess I'll see what happens in about 4-6 weeks after I take delivery on my I-Pace...I'll likely know if the A/C (and seat A/C) are reducing range, as I use both almost every day here in South FL; I'll try testing some days without A/C when it cools down a bit in Nov. But, the guy who told me was the one guy at my Jag dealer who went for I-Pace training...he's the "expert" at our local Jag dealer, so I'm assuming his information is accurate on the separate small battery to power the A/C & Infotainment systems.



As far as the OTA updates go, I agree with you 100% and I did confirm that my Jag dealer would come pick up my car for a tow back to the dealership should an OTA update go awry.

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Yes AC will reduce range, but not much. Heating from very low temp, say 0F and down have a huge impact however.

Look below at Tesla Range simulator. (scroll down on the link) You can play with speed, outside temp, using heating or AC and see the impact on the range. The impact on the I-Pace will be similar.

The trick is to use the seat cooling (or heating) to keep you comfortable and then not go crazy in trying to get the full cabin at 60F in 120F degree weather.


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Take lots of pics and video!!!
I'm interested in the ipace, but really not sure I can give up super chargers and Auto Pilot... I love cars, but I love tech more...
I'm just glad a legacy car maker built an EV that looks pretty good!

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