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post #1 of 77 (permalink) Old 02-07-2019, 06:21 PM Thread Starter
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So after a false start with an I Pace that made it off the boat but not to the dealer my new custom ordered one will supposedly be ready for delivery in the next few days. So I am about to pull the trigger. I have been reading and posting here with much interest, think I have a good handle on the ups and downs of the car from existing owners.

I have had a few electric cars, so this won't be new to me. I am well aware of all the quirks and strengths of the electric cars/batteries/temperature/range etc. Loved the Leaf, really like the Bolt, HATED the i3 (the ride/handling), like the Tesla Roadster (as I would love a toy, its not really car), and absolutely worship the i8.

So having said all this I feel a twinge of hesitation and I am asking for feedback/help. Yes I know its strange to ask a bunch of strangers but hey why not. Everyone I asked (friends) to "talk me out of getting the car" as a test didn't even try. Here is my kind of thought process.

I want to get the car because:
- Never had a Jaguar, want to have one, and an electric one suits me great,
- I really want to support Jaguar's really excellent jump into the electric car market and be an "ambassador." Trust me when I say there are many people I know who now drive various electric cars because I championed and drove them,
- I want to support Jaguars commitment to going all electric,
- I want to replace my Audi (winter car) and my Bolt (electric daily car) with one car (garage space, really want an AWD snow capable electric car and Tesla S/X is just not up to my standards in ride/drive and interior),
- The Audi SUV is boring and too big, I prefer a small sporty car,
- I want to learn and understand the choices Jaguar made in the interesting and adaptive suspension,
- From everything I have seen it is a great sport and capable fun car to drive.

I don't want to get the car because:
- I was surprised by the slight lag between input and response on the car. This was in the 50-100 ms range, but it is a control system lag and there is no reason for it. I can feel it and I wonder if I'll get used to it,
- I am just horrified by the laggy infotainment in such a price range car. The displays look great and I honestly don't mind that they not the most intuitive but they look elegant and the car has physical controls like it should. But waiting half a second for screen to repaint gives me pause about the decision making process,
- I am not concerned about buggy initial software, but use of Windows embedded seems like such a poor choice and prone to never ending trouble.

Sorry for the long list, but any thoughts/feedback/kicks in any direction is appreciated.

Signed: checkbook in hand...
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So after a false start with an I Pace that made it off the boat but not to the dealer my new custom ordered one will supposedly be ready for delivery in the next few days. So I am about to pull the trigger. I have been reading and posting here with much interest, think I have a good handle on the ups and downs of the car from existing owners.

I have had a few electric cars, so this won't be new to me. I am well aware of all the quirks and strengths of the electric cars/batteries/temperature/range etc. Loved the Leaf, really like the Bolt, HATED the i3 (the ride/handling), like the Tesla Roadster (as I would love a toy, its not really car), and absolutely worship the i8.

So having said all this I feel a twinge of hesitation and I am asking for feedback/help. Yes I know its strange to ask a bunch of strangers but hey why not. Everyone I asked (friends) to "talk me out of getting the car" as a test didn't even try. Here is my kind of thought process.

I want to get the car because:
- Never had a Jaguar, want to have one, and an electric one suits me great,
- I really want to support Jaguar's really excellent jump into the electric car market and be an "ambassador." Trust me when I say there are many people I know who now drive various electric cars because I championed and drove them,
- I want to support Jaguars commitment to going all electric,
- I want to replace my Audi (winter car) and my Bolt (electric daily car) with one car (garage space, really want an AWD snow capable electric car and Tesla S/X is just not up to my standards in ride/drive and interior),
- The Audi SUV is boring and too big, I prefer a small sporty car,
- I want to learn and understand the choices Jaguar made in the interesting and adaptive suspension,
- From everything I have seen it is a great sport and capable fun car to drive.

I don't want to get the car because:
- I was surprised by the slight lag between input and response on the car. This was in the 50-100 ms range, but it is a control system lag and there is no reason for it. I can feel it and I wonder if I'll get used to it,
- I am just horrified by the laggy infotainment in such a price range car. The displays look great and I honestly don't mind that they not the most intuitive but they look elegant and the car has physical controls like it should. But waiting half a second for screen to repaint gives me pause about the decision making process,
- I am not concerned about buggy initial software, but use of Windows embedded seems like such a poor choice and prone to never ending trouble.

Sorry for the long list, but any thoughts/feedback/kicks in any direction is appreciated.

Signed: checkbook in hand...
Reading over your decision points, it is clear to me your positives far outweigh your negatives. So buy the car already
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post #3 of 77 (permalink) Old 02-07-2019, 06:56 PM
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I'll briefly dive in here.


Just got mine with software versions 14.2 and 18D -- no problems with screens, and if there has been lag at times, doesn't bother me at all (but that's very subjective -- if you're fixated on the issue / know it's simply going to bug you, then it may remain a factor). This may be odd, but consider this: If you're working the screens while driving, you're (hopefully) constantly looking away to check your situation on the road -- essentially eating any screen-lag. But again, very personal deal. If you need it to snap, it doesn't snap.



On most of your other "Pros," I am right there with you. I had placed an order in August, balked, and came back. Jaguar gets huge props for succeeding and surpassing Tesla while everyone else drags, flails or fails.


There are some early-adopter challenges, no surprise. But overall, the features, build-quality and performance embarrass most everything else on the road remotely in the price-range. Starting up and driving away with no vibration, noise, smell, etc., is sublime. OK, I'm gushing, I'll stop. . . .
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- I was surprised by the slight lag between input and response on the car. This was in the 50-100 ms range, but it is a control system lag and there is no reason for it. I can feel it and I wonder if I'll get used to it,
I suspect there IS a reason for the 50-100ms lag: the car puts out SO MUCH INSTANT TORQUE that the slightest bump of the accelerator accidentally and/or at an inopportune time could launch you into a wall, another car, or a pedestrian. I'm willing to bet this was a 'safety feature' consciously built into the vehicle to provide a literal 'safety' on the trigger (pedal), because if you've test driven at least once, you already know that when you pull the trigger, it's head-snapping power.
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It could be something to do with traction control. I don't really notice it, personally. That could be because most of my previous cars have been turbocharged and required some RPMS to get going.

My 911 Turbo doesn't get moving until nearly 4k rpms - but then hang on to your butt...
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I am familiar with traction control delay, engine rev/spool up, but this is different. It is very interesting it is almost like a delay between the control loop input and the response, in throttle and in steering too. It is VERY slight, but it is there. If you want to see if its real try this: on a straight road going at a safe speed (say 40 mph) try controlled left/right/left/right slight direction changes (not lane changes) in a rhythm and you may see it. I usually do this to test the suspension response, body roll and how active suspensions react. So there is no power change, just direction change.

Keep in mind the delay in throttle seems to be there also on release, so its not just for power application.
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Im excited for you... I till have 3 months to go so enjoy!!!
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- I want to replace my Audi (winter car) and my Bolt (electric daily car) with one car (garage space, really want an AWD snow capable electric car and.....
What more reason do you need?

Buy it because you want to. Or don't. No one can enjoy the car for you. There's no point in them justifying your choice.
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Based on our results of the average age of an IPace owner, I sort of wonder if the delay was programmed in due to them knowing it was aimed at an older crowd.
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I think the i-Pace is overall the best car money can buy right now.
Sure sometimes the PC stuff is a little quirky but whatever.
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