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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-01-2018, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
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Hi from UK

I am a new member and sold on EV and at present in love with my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV which is now two and a half years old and we have driven extensively throughout the UK and much of Europe with our Outlander PHEV and totally sold on Electric Vehicles.

I now have my eye on the I Pace and just wanting to know the full costs, the delivery dates and what the deposit will be - oh and where can we get a test drive in the UK or Europe ????

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Welcome.

Yes, EV powertrains are superior to ICE powertrains IMO, that has nothing to do with emissions, and everything to do with how responsive the car is in traffic.

Test drives should be coming up this month I would think, but I have not heard of anything. August seems to the month the US dealers are saying.

We have a batch of i-Paces in California right now as we speak that are being spotted on the road, in Irvine, California. This is for dealer training at this point.

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Can I ask if you would send me a pm about your solar installation please.

I like the idea of a power wall to charge my car and run the house.

If you have any details please ?

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Can I ask if you would send me a pm about your solar installation please.

I like the idea of a power wall to charge my car and run the house.

If you have any details please ?

Many thanks

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It does not share a lot of components with home systems. It's a commercial system on the roof my business.

It's a Solar Edge SE20KUS 20kW 3-ph inverter, grid-tied. This is connected into 2 strings of 19 Solar Edge Optimizers (P700's) each controlling two 1x2 meter PV panels, or 76 total panels. 64 are 310w and 12 are 350w (expansion). They are "flat" roof mount ballasted Dynoraxx tool-less racks. These are seldom used for residential buildings. It weighs about 8000lb roughly, and was engineered for 90mph wind speeds. I can monitor their output from anywhere and isolate individual panels easily. On a nice summer day, they will put out 160 kWh of 480-3ph power.
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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-03-2018, 02:03 PM
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Welcome to the forum and glad to hear that you've set your sights on the I-Pace. Imo it really is the best luxury, electric vehicle on the market. You'll find the maintenance/running costs to be far cheaper than your Outlander PHEV, and with a proper home solar system, its likely you'll pay very little to keep it charged.
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Are you by any chance also looking into Tesla? Hard to ignore how aggressive they're getting on charging infrastructure. A friend of mine has gone his first 6 months of owning a Tesla Model S relying mainly on power from the supercharger stations.
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A friend of mine has gone his first 6 months of owning a Tesla Model S relying mainly on power from the supercharger stations.
Not a good idea, long term, because there is a milestone number of Supercharges and once you go over that the Supercharger charge-rate will be reduced - otherwise the battery chemistry will become compromised.

Gas and Electricity in the USA not much difference. In UK electricity about the same price as in the USA, but Gas over here (and most of rest of world) is heavily taxed. I can drive my [actually "any"] EV for around 200 miles on the cost of the electricity that would pay for a gallon of gas. So it feels so cheap I don't stress over charging at peak rate / off peak rate / Supercharger or at work (also free)
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Didn't know that but looking into it more I see mentions that Level 2 charging at home is adequate for most owners. Someone on the go however that needs access more than anything else, those superchargers are what they will depend on.
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that Level 2 charging at home is adequate for most owners
In UK our basic wall socket is 13A 240V, which is about 6 MPH charging speed, so even that basic facility will get me 70 miles in 12 hours. My more specialist wall-charger is 22 MPH, so I can charge from 0% to 100% in 10 hours. In practice few are the days where I need to leave with 100%, and its a bit of a squeaky-bum moment to get home with 0% so arriving home less than 10% is rare.

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Someone on the go however that needs access more than anything else
I had those sort of thought before owning a BEV. I can do 220 real world miles on 100% charge. I, now, charge to 100% if my journey is more than 160 miles - risk of foul weather (torrential rain is worse than cold / snow), or detour, or "Can you just pick up ..."

I drive more than 220 miles in a day one or two days a month. I very rarely drive more than 300 miles (in a day). An 80 mile top-up at supercharger is less than 15 minutes, so by the time I've had a pee and got a coffee the car is ready. Or I can sit and do emails, which I would otherwise have to do on arrival, so just time-shifting that job. Family / young kids (apart from the pee-stop) and a long multi-recharge road trip is a different thing though.

Important to me is that I have range to get TO Client / Destination AND back to Supercharger. I don't mind a delay on the way home, but outbound (Supercharger busy, or pair-charging at reduced rate) means its harder to predict arrival time.

In ICE days I spent over 8 hours a year refuelling ... now I spend less than that at Superchargers (and 12% of my annual consumption is from Supercharger - so its a "reasonable amount") , and the time is more usable (I don't have to stand-and-pump-gas). Of course each individual stop is longer - but if I only need 25 miles of extra range, to get home, that 5 minute stop is the same as an ICE refuelling stop.

And unlike ICE I leave home with a full tank, every morning. No Weekly Fill-up

So a high mileage driver who does less than 250-ish miles a day (assuming a 100kWh battery) , most days, won't need any road charging on those days, and should be able to charge overnight relatively easily.

A difference is that I have to plan my longer trips; but once charging points are more widespread that won't be necessary as, as is the case with ICE, I will be able to go to the "one nearby" when I need to charge.
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Really appreciate you clearing that up from real experience, but of course just simple math and consideration of what most owners do also gives the answer.
Can't wait to see these used in fleets. I bet some police forces will get these unless i'm thinking too far ahead.
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